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Online flash cartoons have gotten really popular. There are so many out there these days that it is difficult to stand out among all the competitors. Developers push the envelope to attract attention. Unfortunately, cutting edge is often used as a euphemism for perpetuating racial stereotypes.
Hecklers online, which receives a lot of money from AOL, develops cartoons and games which can be accessed from an AOL keyword (AOL Keyword: Hecklers). They have cartoons that feature black men with bones in their noses, gold teeth and spears. The flip is that these characters attempt to sound like African-American males, which indicates that that's how the owners of the site view black men here stateside. They also have an animation depicting an Asian man with exaggerated features that speaks in broken English and uses martial arts moves to express himself. This is a long way from the days when Hecklers used to do interactive mad-libs and have chat rooms titled PC versus MAC on AOL in 1995. Sean Michael, Scott David and Mike Ragsdale claim they are forever changing AOL's reputation as a stodgy 'plain vanilla' company. Thanks AOL for bringing humor to our lives.
A black man at the Olympics is depicted throwing a spear on hecklers.com
Real world Rwanada depicts Africans who are named Skinny G and Shaniqua on hecklers.com
An Asian man called Crazy Joe who harks back to stereotypical racists images on hecklers.com
360hiphop has a cartoon called Flaco and Gordon, which has a cute twist at the end to make a statement. That's after you get through the worse imitation of broken street language and contrite references to the Wassup! Commercial.
Poor Black and Latino men who say "ex-plotititive" on 360hiphop.com
Many people have already criticized Icebox for their series Mr. Wong. The character looks lifted straight from World War II Propaganda films. The character is subservient and speaks in a broken pigeon language. There have already been some questions raised in various outlets about this character. A lot of people find him offensive. Icebox defends the character, telling people that Mr. Wong is the hero and subtlety makes a statement challenging stereotypes. Storylines include characters challenging Mr. Wong to say the word Cotillion and calling Asians yellow people.
The infamous Mr. Wong on icebox.com
Of course we have a sense of humor, but we also have a sense of self. Unfortunately, this is how these individuals who runs these companies view people. They justify it for a few page views brought on by the controversy.
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What? No mention of Urbanentertainment.com?
We're going to have a hard time drawing the line clearly when we're the brains behind Pookie Poo, Cisco & Ripple, Undercover Brother or animated TV series like The PJ's.
The differences are too subtle for people outside the culture to understand. When they try to get on the bandwagon they stumble every time. Mr Wong is evil - he does get back sometimes, but I don't buy Icebox's argument - He's the Asian Sleep n Eat. |
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Spike Lee had a chance to expose this racism through sterotypes - but he blew it with Bamboozled - In a year of major sucess and achievement for Black film makers, Spike produced (hands down) the worst of the bunch. Watching Bamboozled was a very painful 2 hour torture. |
andrew, I have to disagree with you I think Spike Lee did a pretty good job of addressing issues that needed to addressed in media business culture. Why do you feel that the movie was so bad? Do you think that he dealt with any relevant issues in the movie at all? |
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Uhh... can't say much except I'm mortiied. I don't see anybody mimicking caucasians "like you know"... I love the internet, but it lets people get away with sh*t like this. |
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what about ICEBOX? |
Brilliant piece!!
I rarely look at these animated skits, I skip over them on sites.
However, this is by far one of the best stories to date!
No mention of urbanentertainment.com? |
Andrew I thought bamboozeled was one of the best black films I have seen, this year and I would say in the past couple of years, I guess you didnt get it, I guess spike didnt make it in an attempt to appease everyone. |
Insightful story UE. After reading Pud's and the rest of Fuc*ed Co.'s racist and demeaning comments on the closing of UBO, I think it's time we start closely evaulating how the "others", not just "urban" players in the Internet space view and represent us. |
UE:
Oh, cool...I thought I was the only one who noticed this down-low shit.
"Well, it's not like they'll see it...most of them don't have computers, anyway," says the smart-ass whiz-kid from Pomona with a free ride at the Art Institute.
Heavy.com does it, too.
They gonna get their card pulled soon enough. Trust that. |
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I think a disservice is done when we chastise others
for objectionable imagery, yet allow the same nonsense
to be produced by 'urban' entities. What's the difference
between any of the aforementioned and BET's Cita? Not much,
in fact some might say none at all. Offensive is offensive.
If we can't chin check ourselves first we shouldn't rebuke others
for our own self-serving double standards. If you find material
in poor taste keep clicking and never revisit, but don't admonish
others without first checking yourself. That's just ignorant.
Like when some clueless black people called themselves 'nigga' and
broke when others used the same term. Nigger is nigga no matter how
you spell it or who's using it. So either you're nobody's nigga or
everybody's nigger you can't have it both ways. And don't give me that
bullshit about reclaiming and redefining terms either, because that's
what powerless sell-outs say to justify their furtherance of ignorance.
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Good Job UE! We need to be critical of all forms of Media. Just becaue it's 2000 doesn't mean that racism is gone. We need to support sites doing positive things and re-hasing the Buck, Pickaninny, and coon characters of the past. |
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Let us not forget Fugina from Y2G.com.......aggggg......just the name alone makes my skin crawl. And go to Heavy.com and peep Munchyman And Fatty, the most ghetto speaking,Shiftless,weedsmoking,goldcap,hogie,eating supernigger ever |
Shaan James:
Point taken. I been killing the n----r in me for almost thirty years. He jumps back up, and I just shank him again until he's nice and still...
Good point, though. |
yo stop fucking h8ting on spike
what do peopele think about www.heavy.com is it racist? |
This is an interesting story. Which reminds me of something.
When the UBO fallout began, one of the FIRST things I thought to myself was "please don't have all these fools start going into animation...there's ENOUGH drama there...". Clearly the popularity of animated programs is increasing, and shows like "Simpsons" prove that you can have a successful animated sitcom. But the bottom line to any of this is having a good show to BEGIN with. If we are to learn ANYTHING from the failures in the "urban webspace", let one essential lesson be that not only is content king, but QUALITY, RELEVANT content. The attention to detail and sensitivity to "cool" is why kids gravitate to ANIME. American animation - Fox and Dreamworks notwithstanding - is just half ass by comparison. Colorforms. Every major show is shipped to Asia to be tweened and re-drawn.
"BeBe's Kids" is the only major animated feature by a black director. There is no weekly TV series. Nuff said about that.
Animation is yet ANOTHER field that nobody thought had any "flavor" -- PLEASE let's not have cats runnin up in this field making it ghetto because they can't get a job anywhere else. |
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Can we get pass BAMBOOZLED already? It's a
commercial failure and a cinematic embarrassment.
Spike didn't expose racism, he exposed his lack of
talent and innovation. You people just don't get it
unless it's spelled out in ebonics I guess. Let's stop
repeating discussions on things that most people have shown
by the box office attendance, or lack thereof that aren't
worth the price of admission. Let's be honest after 45 minutes
of being 'shocked' weren't you zoning off and admiring the damn
wardrobe, but not following the relevance of the lack of character
development or underlying plot. What was the deal with that 10 minute
compilation of old footage? If I wanted to view historic film archives
I would've gone to the damn library not the movies. I dare one of you
to make a sound rational argument, without feeling a sense of duty to
support a "black film" by an opportunist. Don't waste the threads time e-mail
me directly and it can be on. I can rip Spike's ass for days and never
break a sweat. Bring it.
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Kaminari,
Well said. |
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WTf: "What is racist about Heavy.com"
Click on the Munchyman and Fatty icon, sit back, and enjoy.......
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There's also a show called Ms. Muffin (I believe), and Li'l Pimp, which features a cherubic, red-headed toddler hanging out with two grown Black pimps. Shaan is absolutely right when he says that the credibility of complaint is less than zero if we don't take care of the issue at home first.
I'm surprised Asians haven't been getting up in Icebox's ass for that Mr. Wong bullshit. That envelope's been pushed too far, if you ask me. |
Challenging Sony-Columbia On "Lil' Pimp"
November 9, 2000
By Earl Ofari Hutchinson
The Black World Today
http://www.tbwt.com
The instant I laid eyes on "Lil' Pimp" I was appalled. "Lil' Pimp" is a
silly, obscene, sexually and racially insulting on-line animated cartoon
series. It is produced by an outfit called MediaTrip
(www.mediatrip.com). The series is based on the exploits of a nine-year
white kid who learns his trade from two black pimps. It ridicules,
lampoons, and degrades women, children and African-Americans. The
website is complete with a message board (Pimpin' Board), ads for "Lil'
Pimp" tee shirts, and a "Lil' Pimp" game site.
As shocked and disgusted as I was at this perversion, I did not rush to
the barricades to challenge it. The internet is jam packed with
hate-filled, sex-laced, violence-baiting pictures, messages, and rants
from skinheads, Nazis, pornographers, and assorted kooks. I did not want
to give any more credence to "lil' Pimp" than it deserved. So I asked
friends, associates, and readers of my weekly column to check out the
series and give me their impression. The reaction I got was a potent mix
of disgust, revulsion, outrage, and disbelief. Even though many agreed
that a legion of black filmmakers, comedians and "gangsta" rappers had
built a solid growth industry out of trashing, savaging, and assaulting
the black image, "lil' Pimp" went much further. The universal consensus
of those that surfed the series was that it wreaks this colossal image
damage.
- Family Values. There are none. "lil" Pimp's" family is a "typical" two
parent, apparently middle-class household. Yet it produces a child who
becomes a master pimp. The message is that even middle-class, loving
parents are decadent, degenerate and dysfunctional.
- Children. They can be quickly and easily corrupted and turned into
disgusting little SOBs who lust for money, sex, and the fast life. They
will abuse and exploit women to get it.
- Women of color. It reinforces the ancient stereotype that black women
are sexually-loose, fleshpots who will instantly dump their bodies on
anyone who shoves a dollar at them. They are eternally dependent on the
men (and in this case, children) who exploit them.
- African-Americans. The usual suspects of black pathology are on
loathsome display. "Lil' Pimp's" sidekicks are black pimps and many of
the other characters that parade through the series are hustlers,
gangsters, druggies, and other oddball characatures.
Still, as horrific as this is, I would not have scrambled to make an
issue of the series as long as it was confined to a perverse corner of
the internet. However, that instantly changed when a feature column in
Variety Magazine in August reported that MediaTrip had cut a deal with a
production company headed by a former leading executive of the Disney
corporation to produce an 80 minute feature film based on the series,
and that Sony-Columbia Pictures may distribute it.
It seemed absurdly insane that a world-renowned entertainment
conglomerate would have anything to do with this pap at a time when the
industry was under ferocious attack from the public for its violence,
and sex-laced films and TV sitcoms. Sony-Columbia is a multi-billion
dollar global, mega-corporation that produces CDs, playstations,
computers, TVs, radios, videos, and assorted electronic devices that set
industry standards for excellence. Its entertainment conglomerate,
Columbia Pictures, churns out a big array of talk shows, films, daytime
dramas, game shows, classics, and, popular kid's shows.
In mid-October, representatives of black and women's groups in Los
Angeles immediately requested a meeting with the president of Columbia
Pictures. They had two goals. The first was to get Sony-Columbia to
confirm or deny industry reports that it would distribute the series.
The second was to discuss concerns about the destructive sexual and
racial stereotypes in the series. A week passed. There was no response
to the request. A second request to meet was made. Another week passed
with still no response.
The decision was then made to publicly confront Sony-Columbia. Again,
the goal is to get the corporation to confirm or deny whether it plans
to distribute the series. It was also to voice disgust and outrage that
it would even consider, let alone actually distribute, the series.
Sony-Columbia risked a national challenge from children's, women's, and
black community groups over the series.
Sony-Columbia can't continue to hide behind a protective wall of
silence. It must tell the public what it plans to do with "Lil' Pimp."
And we must demand that Sony-Columbia tell us.
Note: The National Alliance for Positive Action and other advocacy
groups launched its national challenge to Sony-Columbia Friday, November
10. Write, Call, Fax, or Email Sony-Columbia to express outrage over
"Lil' Pimp." Peter Schlessel President Columbia Pictures Address; 10202
W. Washington Bl. Thalberg Bldg. #3101 Culver City, Ca. 90232 Phone:
310-244-4000 Fax: 310-244-0474 website: www.spe.sony.com (go to "privacy
policy" to find feedback)
Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the president of the National Alliance For
Positive Action, a national public policy change organization. Web Site:
www.natalliance.org
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The asian community actually has been getting in Ice Box's ass and there response was some where in the the neighborhood of "get over it"
dayum i kinda liked Munchy and Fatman does that make me a sell out Coon? i guess it is a thin line
last warning stop H8ting on Spike |
Maybe a cartoon should be made about Sadiq and Bob Ponce? Or Is that URBAN EXPOSE? |
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I like Munchyman and Fatty as much as the next guy, but cmon, some of the characters in there are very very offensive (Clavin, Shequta, or however you spell her name, the chick with the tig ole' bitties and the gold cap). But I'll actually go out on a limb and say that Munchyman walks the thin line between creative and offensive. That's the only problem we have, when does a character or a site become offensive, or are we just overeacting????? |
After visiting Heavy.com and watching Munchyman and Fatty, I am disgusted. The scariest shyt is I can't even be mad because we perpetuate this gross misrepresentation of black folk. WAKE UP yall the bottom line is this is what they really think of us. |
*Nigger is Nigga no matter how you spell it or who is using it. So either you're nobody's nigga or everybody's nigga, you can't have it both ways. And dont give me that bullshit about reclaimimg and redefining terms either, because that's what powerless sell-outs say yo justify the furtherance of ignorance*
I know you people think I have a thing out for Jigga, but I only want you to consider the responsibility inherent in championing these types of mainstream artists as "talented" or "worth buying". I must ask again:
Shann...exactly what do you use to justify your furtherance of ingonorance? You tell me that Jay-Z is hot. And yet, he espouses the views and diatribe of a "modern day coon"; all decked out in ice and platinum. speaking in broken english and speaking about the sexual prowess of the Black Man and how to stay out of trouble's (Read: the White Man) way.
And how many times does he say Nigger, or Nigga in a minute....or hoe or bitch or whatever? You dont like These types of images? What is the difference between these images and the imagery depicted in the lyrics of Gangsta Rap or Ghetto Fabulous Rap?
We have to take responsibility for the continued dissemination of these images and messages people. Yes, the beats are slammin'. But at what costs do we enjoy slammin' beats? |
Shann you kill me. Are you saying that if a film isn't a hit at the box office, then the movie was no good? I find, in many cases, the opposite to be true. In music, in film, in art, there are examples of the phenomena of mainstream public never being the consumers of the greatest art.
If you didn't like Bamboozled, it's because 1) you are ignorant or 2) the arrow of responsibility was pointed squarely at you.
Which one was it? |
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The difference between rappers saying Nigga and rednecks
saying NIGGER |
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You do seem to have a thing out for Jigga....HATER!!!!
I'm playing, but seriously, why single him out? Almost every artist uses the word nigga even our beloved Common, Mos Def, De La soul, Talib Kweli. Shit, the only artist I can think of who doesn't say the n word is Eminem (and that's cuz he doesn't want to get his ass beat). And as for his "broken english"....that is one of the foundations of hip-hop. "I talk in Slang and I'ma never stop speakin it" - RIP Big L. And because a person rocks platinum and ice he's a coon? He is simply enjoying the fruits of his labor. That's akin to saying I should drive a 740L because I'll be cooning. F that. I earned that, I busted my butt through College and I worked a 9 to 5 (more like a 7 to 9) to have that right to drive that. |
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let me cover my ass on this one: I'm not refering to MC Joey B who runs out and spends his advance on a 600 and ice. I'm refering to businessmen (actual Workers who earn their money a la Roc-A-Fella) |
Desus Ice- See previous post about how Jigga got his start before you call him an actual businessman or worker.
No, wearing ce and Platinum and driving a Benz does not make you a coon. Sporting those items and dancing a jig for the 80% of hip-hop consumers that are white makes you a coon which causes us to proliferate negative stereotypes makes you a coon. Where are the images of me in the media? Where? How about you? Why does the woman in the suite next to me take 3 months before she speaks? And why is she still scared of me? Because she was programmed to believe that I was like the model of the young, african-american male that she sees on TV everyday. Does that piss you off? Then hate Jigga and Rappers like him.
Yes, all rappers use the word nigger, but not to the extent that DMX, Snoop, BIG, Jigga, et al. use in thier lyrics. It's a bad, hateful, evil, violent word, people. Period.
Quit using it. |
Oh, and Shann...I live in the deep South. Have all my life. There is no difference to rednecks between the words nigga and nigger. When we make it a non-word, then they'll stop using it. |
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I'm way past the time of caring what the fuck these people want to think about me. I can't make woman stop clutching their purses when I walk past them. Shit I can't even get the reciptionist in this building to let me in WITH MY ID (and she's a "sista"). But I'm not gonna blame this on Jigga or MTV, it's much deeper than that. These stereotypes are so ingrained into the psyche of mainstream white people that nothing sure of a crowbar can dig it out. That same is true of the word Nigger. If we all stop using using it ("We" refering to people of color) it will still be around. We may think we've taken the word and made it ours but believe me, it's still a white word. And it's not going anywhere. They still use it, just behind closed doors, in empty elevators, smokey bars and cars with the windows rolled up. There is no way that word is going away. Nigger is here to stay. I'm not for the word but think about it: Right now if a white person calls u a nigger, that shit hurts like hell. Imagine we delete it from our "culture" (and I use the term very loosely). Imagine how much more the word would hurt if u got called it. I don't mean to trivalize the deaths and injustices countless people have ungone over the word and the whole civil rights movement, but we have to be real here. If anyone thinks Nigger is going away anytime soon, they are fooling themselves.
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Max,
Since I hit 'post' before my response bear with me
while I elaborate on my point, which I warn you will
be wordy as a hell. So, if you don't want to be a part
of the discussion keep scrolling.
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I don't listen to the radio expecting to find the next
Malcolm X or Martin Luther King. I listen to be entertained.
I'm a grown ass man that knows the difference between entertainment
and making excuses. I said (revist the thread) that Jay's cadence
and ability to make his listener feel him were commercially viable to
listeners that want more than the Freestyle Fellowship talking shit over
subpar beats. Plain and simple. Jay wins because he makes good records.
Do I agree with the content of those records? Usually not, but I can
appreciate his artistry without agreeing with his philosophy on bitches
and hoes. I've heard most of these backpackers and slackers use the same
terms without his success and the basis of their argument is that they're
keepin' it real which is roughly translated as keepin' it broke and bitter.
You sound like a disgruntled artist bitching about Jay's jewelry and success.
If he wants to be a 'nigga' that's his business, but don't knock his hustle
and try to bring your meritless politics into a discussion about being a 'nigga
because you're undermining yourself and come off as being not only ignorant, but
also a hater. If you want to be a 'nigga' be one, be the best 'nigga' you can be.
Just stick to the damn point or recognize that there are wholes in your theory.
Rap is an urban dialect (slang) spoken in broken english, so if you don't have the
dialect you don't have anything to accompany the music. Where the hell were you going
with that bullshit? For all his flossing and perpetuating stereotypes I've yet to hear
Mr. Carter rambling a syllable about 'staying out of trouble (the white man's way), to
the contrary he is politcally inactive and socially deplorable. His claim to fame is
flossin' and talkin' shit and peddling materialism to people that should be focused on
getting an education. To his credit he's shown that even the worst we have to offer (the
hustler, drug dealer, promiscious rapper) can rise above his meager existence and become
a multi-millionaire. So you other 'nigga's' really have no damn excuse to not get off your
asses and 'Get up, Get out and Get Somethin'. I think your time could be better spent cleaning
up the vocabulary of the uninformed than counting 'nigga' in records don't you? Let's get to what
your real grievance is with me that shitty movie.
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You continue to confuse the message of the movie with the quality of good entertainment. Was there
a valid message there? Absolutely. Did Spike do a good job developing his characters so that the
audience felt connected to their plight and cheered or cried about their growth and shortcomings?
Hell no. Did you see that terrible editing? Did you watch Charlie Baltimore's performance? Did you
see that mini Mau Mau video that was just added to sell that shitty soundtrack? You probably cried when
ManTan took it in the chest. How believable was that whole on-line execution broadcast? How realistic
was the relationship between Damon Wayan's parents? "Did my father call?" Get the fuck out of here.
I like Paul Mooney. I loved his rehash of old material for the mainstream audience that Spike thought
would show up in droves. I thought he wasted his talent doing a cameo which is all his performance was since
we never understood the relationship of Damon and his father, or quite frankly cared. Poor character development.
Mos Def as the brother of Jada? Never heard shit about the underlying issues in that relationship either did we?
Nope. Not one iota. Poor character development. How in the fuck did the cops show up just at the right moment to
execute the 'nigga's gone postal'? Never saw a scene making reference to Big BLK Afrika being under surveillance or
the crew being infiltrated either huh? Nope. Sounds like someone had to edit in the ending after finishing the movie.
Like most of Spike's shitty films Bamboozled played like a Sundance flick that got some distributor to front them some
cash to reshoot some scenes, put together a soundtrack and told them to reshoot the ending to keep 'mainstream' audiences
from being afraid of Big BLK Afrika. I know I'm destroying the image of the great black hope for film, but at least be
honest enough to say that you felt hoodwinked halfway through and then left saying, "it's the best BLACK film I've seen this
year (how many were there?) or in awhile." I don't give a shit about the best black film, I give a shit about the best film
for my eight duckets and I don't give a shit about what color the director is shitty is shitty. Take your ass to Blockbuster
and rent the whole catalogue from Spike and you too will agree that this shit was worst than Crooklyn and just a tad bit better
than Clockers. Act like you know, before I remind your ass again.
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Next time e-mail directly to debate this nonsense and stop wasting UE vistors time taking up for your idols. NYU has summer sessions,
I suggest you register early.
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Shaan: Get the fuck out of my head....I'm tired of u saying exactly what I mean....lol
As for the whole Bamboozled thing, I doubt I speak for myself when I say this one, but I thought Bamboozled was a good movie just for the simple fact that I never watch spike lee movies cuz those shits (malcom x excluded) are wack!!! Girl 6 anyone? Keep that in mind when u read the majority of the postings on this board. Sure there are some of us who have seen the brothas movies, but be honest, the majority of us feel he makes movies for "coffe shop boards and white dudes". |
Undergrad 1991 - University of Houston B.S. Sociology and B.S. Psychology
Current Candidate for P.h.D University of St.Thomas Philosophy.
That said...
I hear you on your opinion of Jay-Z and others. However we disagree on the affect these perpetuated images have on the mainstream.
Bamboozled was meant to be a surrealistic look at a common theme. Surrealism is never realistic in it's delivery. Mantan's execution was a perfect example: He tap-danced to his death. The characters were underdeveloped to focus the viewers attention on the theme. The sets were sparse, the styling bland and cinematography colorless to add to the surreal effect.
Bamboozled was an art film with a powerful message. Rent "Written on the Body" for an example of a contemporary film with the same effects and affects.
There are film houses that never show Arnold Schwartzenegger movies or Titanic type films, and usually your average AMC theater wont show films like written on the body. Spike's cache got this art film into a limited amount of mainstream theaters. People like you will make sure this never happens again.
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Prayer is more powerful than words...I'll be praying for all of ya'll.
Peace. |
Shaan: I have to agree with Desus Nice Spike Lee does make good movies. |
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Spike makes good movies? He makes Spike Lee movies, with a message that the people he's trying to reach never get because they're intimidated by his over-the-top tactics. Like conservatives in Boise ran out to the premiere. And might I add to Girl 6, didn't he also do He Got Game? What the hell was that? My bad if I'm mistaken but I just had to throw that in. I liked his earlier stuff, but I was younger then, too. But c'mon, Hilln****er jeans? Enough already. |
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Shaan, I must agree with you. Cita is just as offensive as this other stuff mentioned here. When that waste of animation comes on, I immediately switch the channel, because I don't want my kids watching that garbage and think that those hoochie-mama-izms is acceptable.
I would rather let them watch Bugs Bunny blowing Daffy Ducks billoff. At least they are smart enough to know that the chances of seeing a bunny at the zoo do that to a duck is slim to none.
As for this article (as Iimitate in my best surfer-boy voice), "Dude! What the fuck. I cannot fucking believe these dweebs do not have any animated sites representing the Caucasians bros on the net. It's like, you know, a real bummer, dude!" It's fucking peckerheads like Eminem, who want to be down with the brothers, that have taken the spotlight away from us, way cool "fly for a white guys." Dude, why don't you negro animators totally create cartoons about us, because we reak of awsomeness!
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I noticed a huge increase in winking, snorting white people feeling free to express their racist perversions trending right alongside the increased market penetration of first gangsta and then ghetto-fab iconography.
I don't think it's a coincidence, either. It becomes the discourse of the day, and then white and other people feel free to deploy it, either winkingly, oh-so-knowingly and -daringly (see the article about the "pimp and ho party" in last week's NYT"), or with the full and unalloyed force of race hatred behind it. |
But on a serious note, I was watching Dave Chappele's comedy special on HBO a few weeks ago, and he mentioned about things today being so blatently racist, that you almost miss them. Yet you say to yourself, after it happens, "Heyyyyy,that was some racist ass shit." Well these sites fit the category.
Crap like this is just as much damaging to the human character as turning a waterhose or releases police dogs on them. The difference between the direct physical racism of the civil rights era and before, compared to the present, is that it is more mental now. Thus the scars and effects last much longer and do far more damage.
By hiding behind an IP address, the racist mentality now is, "Instead of calling you a spear-chunker in your face, I'll just draw one competing in the Olympics and won't have to worry about a posse of brothers beatign the hell out of me!" What? |
<<Shaan: I don't listen to the radio expecting to find the next
Malcolm X or Martin Luther King. I listen to be entertained.
I'm a grown ass man that knows the difference between entertainment
and making excuses>>
Good for you, but what about those who are looking for the next black messiah, don't know the difference and settle for what they can get?
Sigh...don't you guys ever wish for a world where entertainers could actually entertain instead of being held accountable 24/7?
The truth is black entertainers are the mouthpieces for us whether we like it or not. Do I have to remind you that there isn't enough positive representation of us in the media to counter-act Little Kim's "I wanna be the next living Barbie" act or JayZ's misogynist lyrics? Being a performer myself, I long for the day when I can spit something off the mic and people will just take it for what it is .A time when I can just be me with all my flaws and imperfections. But until then, I'm responsible for what I say and I have to claim that responsibility even if it means being a superhero unsolicited.Sorry, Shaan, there just isn't any half stepping to be had on content or skills. Don't forget this is a war.
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Coonism: pointlessly pontificating on the back porch when your ass could be building the community. The dialogue's been open for ages on this one. Let's do something about changing the way our faces are seen in the media and stop it with the house niggeritis. Talkin 'bout what the massa's doing when you could be melting down his silverware making swords while he ain't looking. Shit... |
I haven't seen any of these toons so I can't speek on 'em. But I am infinitely annoyed by Cita in BET. Wanna know the funny thing though? As annoyed as I am by Cita I find the real life ignant brotha from HITS from the Streets funny as hell.
Anyway, for some whiteboy oriented animation you need to check out UGO.com ( they are what UBO shoulda been ) where they have THUGS ON FILM ( it stars two cockney accented WHITE British "Trainspotting" type chaps ) and a news show starring a Gen X type white kid that did a ill ass lampoon on John Rocker. Their shit is funny and I haven't seen anything offensive yet.
There's a fine line between parody and offensiveness though. And when it comes to racial sterotypes that line get's even finer. Cita is an example of something that isn't even trying to be stereotypical but panders to the lowest common denominator by propagating the idea that ignorance is cool. That's what makes it so offensive, it's not playing on a stereotype, but helping to create a totally new one by breeding a group of young people that actually act the way that this animated hoochie acts... and thinking that it's okay to do so. |
top ten ways i cope with the notion of RACISM in day-to-day life:
10. - I get a piece of paper and write "WHITES ONLY" on it. Then i tape it to a bathroom door in McDonalds and have a seat to watch the fun.
9. I carry whole watermelons to class and divide it up among the black students at the break.
8: tell as many white people as i can that one form of slave resistance came in the form of canerows. I tell them that when the revolt was approaching, the sight of a woman's head with the words : "TONIGHT WE BURN THE CANEFIELD'S" was commonplace.
7: I take my Vanilla Ice videos and put them in the VCR at the student union here at UWI in kingston. I find that it helps people to unwind.
6:If i am ever in a kentucky fried chicken and there are white people nearby, i throw up my hands like a do rag wearin' porch monkey and exclaim : GIMME SOME FRIIIIIIED CHICKEN WOOO HEEE!!!"
5 : I tell people that white girls smell "unfamiliar."
4: I refer to schidlers list as one of my "favorite comedies."
3: I refuse to call people SLAVES and instead refer to them as ENSLAVED since I would hate someone to call my great great grandmother and old slave (even though she was high yeller anyway and probably got to sleep in the house).
2: I dress up like a member of the NOI and eat jerk pork at bounty killer sessions.
1: I have reclaimed the KLAN white sheet outfit as my own and sometimes, on monday nights, I log on to the ARYAN NATIONS chatroom and pretend like i am one of them. HA HA HA!!! the joke is on them! the joke is on them!!! |
shaan, do you ever have anything sensible to say? and what the hell do you do anyway, besides spending most of your time taking up space on UE?
Two things - I'll take a Cita anyday -- an animated character who isn't real over the live action bitches and hos that are in EVERY SINGLE black music video. Even if the song has nothing to do with stripping, ho's, women getting fucked or big pimpin' there is now the requisite ho and pimp shot in every video. And that's not coonin' ? Kids watch videos and copy the dances and repeat the words. I'm not advocating censorship, but certainly balance....cause I don't see ANY of the women I know in these videos or the men, for that matter. Unless you subscribe to the theory that every African American male is sex-starved, materialistic, ghetto, and animalistic. It's far more damaging than Internet cartoons only people with high broadband can see.
And really to change to subject to a matter more pressing, what up with the election? Bush lead cut to less than 300 votes, What's y'all think about that, my good people??? |
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Hmmm.....something fishy going on in Jeb's State.....and isn't Jeb just the MOST backwoods-hick-inbred-family-fucking name you ever heard????? I say let Bush and Gore fight it out in a first blood match, tag team with their respective running mates. Don't sleep on Libermann, I know he has some ill Jew tricks........Put that sucker on Pay-Per-View, and the profits go to Social Security.... |
Look, this is what you get when you sell your culture short.
What's the difference between Lil Pimp, which is funny as hell, and Puffy. Or DMX? Any time you put an image out there, it can be used against you.
If white people subvert the pimp image, keep in mind all those Big Pimpin' songs.
You lionize criminals, do not sit there in horror when white culture throws it back in your face. You make these zip coon images and nod and smile when they are created, because the people who made them are black, you cannot act outraged when whites use them.
We let our culture get away from us and turned into easy money. Well, this is what we get. Images we hate in white hands, should, oddly enough, cause that same reaction among us when black hands produce it.
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I AM SO GLAD SOMEONE FINALLY BROUGHT CITA UP HERE!!! I was at home with my Mom one day and we were flipping the channels, and guess who we landed on....the cyberhoochie herself. I can't believe that BET would choose the Fat Albert stereotype of the black urban female to promote anything at all. Talk about no progress.
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miss thang,
When you wake up from your nap-n-snack, I think
you'll realize that you sound ridiculous playing
both sides of the fence. Stop worrying about my
ill-spent time chin checking the likes of you and
go read a book, because you're rambling incoherently.
I'm embarrassed for you. Stop soliciting opinions
about the election, get your own. Oh, I'm sorry you
don't have an opinion on anything you're just a responder.
How unoriginal. Tell girl-tan I said, "whaddup".
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You fuckin people complain too damm much. Turn off the damm computer and go do somthing besides hatin on the successful, preaching to the converted, and trying to impress other posters with your narcissit views (shann james) most of you people posting seem to be a jack of all trades and master of none, with the amount of posting some of you people do I cannot see how you get anything else accomplished. History shows that some of the most accomplished people in the world focused on what they did best and would be considered ignorant by the intellectual elite that gets nothing done but complain and hate the most. |
The anaiamtion UBO has was some of THE MOST racist shit out of all the urban dot coms. I dont know WHAT Josiah was thinking. I guess its not racist of a black man is overseeing it (?)
glad to see it go. |
WTF:
Why are you all up Spike Lee's Ass? Bamboozled was an over long pretentious piece of crap, which in my opinion fell far short of saying anything really impactful. So why don't just shut your cooning, hypocritical (you wanna defend Black internet caricatures and Spike Lee's "attempted" condemnation of the media at the same time) non spelling, non punctuating mouth. PS Since you and Spike so "cool" why don't you get him to pay for your desperately needed education? |
blueblack brotha is a sheep who folllows blindly into the night.. it is here where the intellectual captial is raised that with fund the next leaders in this space. |
360 developed a cartoon featuring Professor X of X-Clan as the narrator/lead character. He had to go down there and make sure they didn't turn his image into the stereotypical "black pimp" figure. The way they originally drew it, he had two chicks hanging off his arm- a black "hoochiemama" and a big-titty blonde chick. He had to talk the (white) illustrator down from that mindset and they wound up changing what the women looked like. Who knows if that cartoon will ever even see the light of day, anyway. |
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my nuts weigh a ton allready stop hanging on em
do you have anything constructive to add other then jumping on my typos
yeah I support Spike and inspite of what all of the so called "black inteligencia" had to say about the movie i thought it challenged alot of peoples ideas and started alot of imporatant conversation which is what good art does
but beyond that I wasnt defending heavy i was just trying to hear what people thought unlike you i respect peoples opinons as just that "opinions" |
shaan:
Nigga, Please!
I thought that was what the Internet was intended for-community. I have the same opinion about the election most people have --it was a sham!
Is something wrong with me asking what other people thought about something that could have a serious impact on our lives for the next 20 years? I'm sorry I didn't waste everyone's time with a long-winded diatribe about my opinion on the election, but honey, that's YOUR job.
Chin check? You probably couldn't even reach my chin.
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WTF: Let me address you in a way I think you'll understand better.
stink pompus asshole
I will say what I want
your nuts are the furthest thing from my mind-I don't like stupid motherfuckers, which is why your windbag prententious wannabe righteous posts annoy the hell out of me
you haven't posted anything which indicates you have a brain much less know anything about art
how can I be on your nutsac when you have your own dick lodged so firmly in your mouth?
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WTF: By the way, I respect other people's opinions, i don't respect you, who pops much (ignorant) shit but doesn't even have the courage to include a real email address on site.
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Afro Spice while you talk about it I am actually doing it. I work with and develop technology . I chart my own path while your intellectual capital is worth very small change and worthless to me. This site gives me a view how the other side ( haters ) live, and think. The black community is not a monolithic stagnant singular thinking community we are a diverse thinking people. |
I only paid $5.25 to see Bamboozled and I still felt hoodwinked. Aside from being painfully long, I felt like the movie stopped short of even relaying a powerful message. If Spike was trying to critique today's Black television shows for being modern day minstrel shows, why didn't he include any clips during his pretentious "racism in your face" finale. It seemed like he punked out of making a strong statement-was he just using the movie to secure a television deal? and the ending was just way too pver the top for me. |
Fox a post is just a post the boards are just the boards everything i say on this board reflects me no more then whoever is pretending to be ro or dream or whatever
why must you waste your energy with venom
are you stalking me to study everything i say on this boards this scares me
can you say something relevent other then "blah blah blah i hate you your stupid"
how bout you give an inteligent opinion on the topic and put the h8teraide down
btw that is my fucking email address BEOCH
but yeah try not to live in a place of judgement and your gonna be okay
but anyway are people saying that theres no difference in racist sterotypes if a brother creates them rather then a white boy?
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see thats what im saying in your "high brow" black intelegencia world Spike's movie was so bad
but to the average cat on the street who has never taken the time out to look entertainment industry in a different context the movie was a big eye opener in in my mind thats whats important not preaching to the converted but enlighting the blind
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Honestly WTF, on a site filled with talented intelligent individuals your posts just stick out sorely as the inane ramblings of a stupid motherfucker. And also a hypocritical one, practically everything I read from you is a crticism and when I bring the fire to that azz now you wanna cry foul.
Nigga please!
Umm, Why don't you try to piece together an intellectual thought before you try to tell me what to do. Truth is truth. Don't be salty because you come off real "ig'nent". If you want participate here -you need to keep up with the rest of us, plain and simple.
As for my participation, unlike you, I don't post merely to see my words online. I read, observe and contribute as I see fit. Your little three word posts are more a detraction from the genuine discussion than anything else.
By the way the only "beoch" I see around here is you. |
Me and a friend saw bamboozeled with an unbiased eye prior to the wide release of the film, We both enjoyed the film in a sense that it was an in your face parody of what can ( and is ) happen when an outrageous idea takes on a life of its own. I was similar to me listening to NWA Straight outta Compton for the first time in 1989 after immersing myself into Public Enemy it takes a nation of millions to hold us back. While NWA was groundbreaking the initial reaction was shock with the outright use of the word nigga, the profanity mysogony, and violence but eventually the idea took on a life of its own now these things that I have described are commonplace there is no going back. I guess most of these all talk no action ( you know who I am talking about ) people cant relate because they are attempting to appear intelligent but do not actually think on their own they just react.
I would say that this was one of the best movies I have seen in the past couple of years.
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WTF:
Since your definition of "high-brow intelligentsia" is someone who can read, spell and think, unlike yourself, then I will embrace that.
Who are you to speak for the "average cat" ? I've spoken to many people about the movie and very few liked it. I think Black people are much smarter than Spike gives them credit for (except you of course). We don't need to be hit over the head with a message one and why should we have accept mediocrity because it's "positive".
Please, show me your average brother "crendentials" because right now you seem to be speaking only for the village idiots.
I am here to interact with my intelligent, well-informed peers, something you and your trite meanderings keep interfering with.
Why are YOU here? Oh, I forgot, It's Veteran's day. Elementary school students have the day off. |
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One time Hip Hop child protege Chi Ali made history this past weekend
when he became the second rapper to appear on the TV show America's
Most Wanted. For folks who don't remember, Ali had the hit songs
'Funky Lemonade' and 'Age Ain't Nothing But A Number'. Ali is
apparently wanted for the murder of his girlfriend's brother Sean
Raymond. According to the reports, Raymond owed Ali 300 bucks and
when he didn't get it back, he took Raymond's CD collection. Raymond
confronted Chi Ali about this, but nothing was resolved. The pair ran
into each other in their Throgs Neck neighborhood which is located in
the Bronx. Ali and a friend jumped Raymond and then Ali shot him 5
times. This all went down sometime last year. Ali has been on the
run ever since.. There are reports that he was hiding out in Atlanta
and may have now jetted to North or South Carolina.. In any case its
a sad state of affairs for someone who once had a promising career.
You would hope and think that a guy like Ali had a few dollars stashed
away in the bank so that 300 dollars wouldn't lead to a killing.. As
for the Chi Ali being featured on Americas Most Wanted, he was
proceeded 11 years ago when rapper Just Ice graced was spotlighted on
the show.. Ironically Ice was on the run for spousal abuse a year
after he participated in the Stop The Violence Project
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Looks like Master P has a little banking trouble. Bank One in
Louisiana claims that Master P has not been making payments on a loan
he took out for 743,000 bucks.. Hence the bank has now filed a law
suit. Last time I spoke to P which was a month and a half ago and he
told me that his No Limit Empire was doing quite well. He noted that
they had garnered more than 400 million dollars last year and had
positioned themselves as the largest and most successful independent
record label. In spite his success it didn't stop Rap Sheet Magazine
editor Darryl James from sending out a public letter blasting P for
not paying off his advertising bills in spite of his repeated attempts
to collect. There had been similar behinds the scenes grumblings that
P wasn't paying certain creditors on time. There were also stories
accusing P of not paying some of his artists including his brother
C-Murder. However, when asked, P emphatically denied the allegations
as did his brother.
On the flip side, last year around Christmas Time Master P donated all
types of money to a Christmas fund that was used by major radio
stations all around the country to grant Holiday Wishes for those in
need..Considering P's statements about making major dough, the money
owed to Bank One is a drop in the bucket. He's probably doing what
many of us do.. He's not making repayment to the bank a major
priority. It's either that or P is hella broke and just fronting like
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Peep this from October 13, 2000
Hip or Exploitive?: IGhetto.com
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talented intelligent individuals?
did you miss those personal attacks on various writers and CEO's
okay more venom
and still nothing relevant
ok so tell me more about the standards for posting on the UE boards that you set in your own elitest mind
and how you set the standard for whats a inteligent comment and what isnt
come on duke this is tired get off your high horse
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WTF: I tire of this.
What are you trying to prove?
You're still stupid.
Glad to see you finally learned how to spell "relevant". :)
PS Still waiting for a response from that "real" e-mail address.
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ighetto.com? I just didn't get it. It was more stupid
than it was offensive. If that's representative of what's
being produced these days I'm signing up for flash animation
courses immediately. Is this an aka.com site or just an affiliate?
Thug,
I bumped into Chi Ali about four years and he was a messenger for 1199.
A gig which his mom's laced him with and he was not a happy camper, so
I'm not surprised about his downward spiral. It's a shame that he took
someone's life for $300 bucks.
STOP THE WORLD I WANT TO GET OFF!!!
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This is scary yall. Just like my convo with a very educated brother who told me "Quit trippin, it's all entertaimnet." Oh snap, so that's what it is! Gimme a break. Of course it's all entertaiment and so if it is, does that mean it shouldn't shine some type of positive (or at least enlightening) light on some aspect of regular people's lives. I mean who really lives like the Puffy's and Cash Money Millionaires say they do? Who rocks $500K bracelets and drive Hummers to the Gucci shop on the daily. Not anyone i know. As for me, I won't front, I like hearing about brothers and sisters making it and enjoying a prosporous life but I'd much rather listen to the Scarface and Eightball's of the industry who at least talk about some ish I can relate to realistically. I guess in the end it is entertainment but if an artist puts out a cd with 19 songs on in it - wouldn't it be great if at least seven of them jawns actually represented some form of enlightment (spiritual, emotional, knowledge of self).
I guess it all boils down to the individual and I've learned to look at more than what a particular artist puts out into the airwaves (although this may be a clear depiction of where they're heads are at). I now look at their outside endeavors. So what Puffy hardly ever talks about anything remotely uplifting, at least he donates energy and money to efforts that support those who can't otherwise support themselves. In fact I'm able to tolerate him more so because of it.
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It's amazing to see the affects of slavery on brothers and sisters centuries later and it's even more amazing to see so many of us over look it totally, not realizing the debilitating influence it has left on our daily lifestyles and views.
Did you know that our right to vote expires in the year 2007. The Voter's Rights Act signed in 1965 by Lyndon Johnson was just an act. In 1982 Ronald Reagan amended the Act for another 25 years, which means in the year 2007 we could lose the right to vote. Does anyone realize that African Americans are the only race of people who require permission under the United States Constitution to vote?!
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Why are people going back and forth about Bamboozled. At the end of the day, some people are going to like it and some aren't. If you got nothing from the movie, fine. If you did, fine. But I would like to clarify something.
Stonefox--The movie wasn't made only for blacks. You made a comment that Spike should give us more credit where it is due. If that is the case, then you don't have to like the film. If you have made it so far to look at that movie and say "I am beyond this", that is great. But there are a great deal of young people out there who needed to be exposed to this point of view.
Maybe it wasn't the greatest lesson one has taught about being black in entertainment in America. But the message has been laid out on the table to be discussed, as WTF was saying. So let's say "Fuck Cinematography" for a minute and look at the whole picture.
ENTERTAINMENT IN AMERICA IS OUT OF HAND. If I ever heard my 7 year old cousin singing the words to Ludacris or Jay-Z, I would smack her. Even though she may not know what the hell she is singing about, it is still being implanted in her head. And being played at 4:30 in the afternoon, prime time for young people. Not cool at all.
So basically, a discussion has arised because of that film. You can not knock Spike for that. If you didn't like it, ok. But remember that the privileges you may have to make you look at that film and say "I am smarter than this", about 10 brothers don't have. Some weren't as lucky as you or I was.
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The grain of truth in the rumor is that the Voting Rights Act of 1965 will indeed expire (i.e., come up for renewal) in the year 2007. But the rest is false. African-Americans' right to vote will not expire with the Voting Rights Act.
Here's what the NAACP said in a statement published in the Nov. 19 issue of the Internet Tourbus:
African-American voting rights were granted by the Fifteenth Amendment, which was passed immediately after the Civil War. Expiration of the Voting Rights Act will not terminate the rights granted under the Fifteenth Amendment.
The U.S. Department of Justice concurs in its "Voting Rights Act Clarification," dated April 2, 1998:
The basic prohibition against discrimination in voting contained in the Fifteenth amendment and in the Voting Rights Act does not expire in 2007 – it does not expire at all; it is permanent.
The confusion in the email alert apparently arises from an assumption that it's the Voting Rights Act alone which guarantees suffrage to minorities. In reality, all the Act does is keep in place a set of "extraordinary remedies" designed to enforce the Fifteenth Amendment at state and local levels. They were intended to be temporary, which is why the Voting Rights Act must be renewed every 25 years.
It's impossible to determine exactly where and when the rumor got its start, but its first Usenet posting (with some interesting variations in the text) was dated January 26, 1997.
"I'd say we have gotten hundreds of calls on this over the past two years," Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina told reporters this week. "It's frustrating dealing with this hoax."
And I thought I was the only one who had days like that.
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Dang, Desus get a life! Of course I know they aren't actually gonna take away our voting rights....damn. Did you not get the sarcasm in my wording. (guess not) Did you not get the last question I asked. Anyone knows that they wouldn't just kill the rights of black people to vote - the point was did anyone realize the lame reasoning behind updating it every 25 years when it's supposed to be guaranteed already. I see when corresponding with you a sister must be quite literal... speaking figuratively or sarcastically with you doesn't cut it. That's cool, like someone told me you can't feed a baby steak! Getting all amped behind my post....and didn't even get the meaning i was trying to relay.
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LISTEN HERE BITCH!!!.....nah,I'm playin (being sarcastic, Yes I can do that too). First let me apologize for that litle tirade....Its just I've had that e-mail forwarded to me so many times, and heard that urban legend repeated so often, that you get tired of hearing it.
As for me taking everything literally....boo this is a message board. There is no way for me or anyone else to know that you were being sarcastic. In fact I've re-read your post and still don't see were you hinted to us that you were *playin*. If you'd read any of my other posts you'd see I'm like king of sarcasm around here.
N e way, didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch (again, sarcasm). muah muah hugs kisses and all that good shit
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Desus, I can dig it. Your post made me smile - just what I needed to end what has been a long ass day. I definitely see where your coming from and thanks for not blowing this up any further. We can build anytime papi!
Oh and tell your boss MoB said you may now go home. Your weekend has officially began!
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Infamouscutie: I believe Black people are in fact Spike Lee's primary audience although this is never explictedly stated. Just like mainstream films have white people as their primary audience targets. I don't think in 2000 anyone is going come out and say "this film is for Black people" or "this film is aimed at the "white majority". They really don't have to. And WTF was not trying to put anything on the table initially. His exact comments were:
"yo stop fucking h8ting on spike".
I don't have a problem with Spike's intent-like many others on this site, my beef was essentially with his presentation which was long, drawn out and bereft of character development as Shaan and others have pointed out. Should we be happy just because a point was made even if was made badly? |
Stonefox-- You are missing the point I am making. YOU thought it was long and drawn out. YOU felt that way, as well as Shaan. But maybe WTF got something from it. Maybe WTF will stop supporting Tommy Hilfiger and Timberland, who have both been quoted as racists (and I am not going to find the proof, someone else can do that, I know I have seen the documents before).
Those of us who are educated and have the oportunity to look at Spike Lee's films and say that...we have that opportunity because we have been privy to things that others haven't.
Yes we should be happy if a point was made badly. WTF and others got it.
If you didn't like it I can respect that. But you can't knock the film if some people got something from it, and may think twice before continuing to indulge themselves blindly in this entertainment madness, maybe even make a difference.
Spike's film should not be read so literally. The big picture: make a difference. Wake up (hence, the big ass clock in the very first scene). Look beyond the dumb ass ending and Jada's weak role. There are messages in that movie. Even you can't deny that. |
Infamouscutie: I didn't misunderstand your point, I don't think YOU understand mine. I am not purporting to speak for all Black people, anything I say represents MY opinion only. I am not trying to tell people how to interpret the movie. This is how I saw it and I thought the film sucked. I don't think there are any hard and fast rules that govern film interpretation. Yes, I am knocking the film because I personally didn't get anything from it other than the fact that Spike Lee is a presumptuous bombast. All I can do is speak for myself. And I also don't think Spike's movie (again MY OPINION) caused the average Jamal to critically analyze the media's exploitation of Black people and how our own stars contribute to that process. I think if anything those people who need to be reached will be turned off from the boring, overblown plot and will spend their dollars on more movies like "Booty Call" instead thought provoking ones. Again, I have to agree with Shaan, most people go to movies to be entertained. If you don't provide the message an entertaining way, it is often lost. If lots of people are going to see it, getting something positive from the movie and really enjoying it, more power to them. According to the box office reports
(Total US Gross $1,883,628 after 28 days) this really isn't the case.
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While on the subject of being bamboozled, word is that Spike is in pre production on a film about the life of Nat Turner, based on the grossly inaccurate book written by William Styron, "Confessions Of Nat Turner" in which Nat was subllimally painted as a celibate homosexual. For this and many other reasons, Dr. John Henrik Clarke responded with the suburb book "William Styron's Nat Turner: 10 Black Writer's Respond".Our children are taught very little if anything about this GREAT man in school, it would be a travesty to have him reduced, rewritten and ultimately destroyed on the big screen. |
The easiest form of "comedy" is silliness. have you ever wondered why comics today have never been as funny as The Great Richard Pryor?? Go back and listen, yes I said listen to those old school rich 8-tracks, 78's or cassette tapes or grab some of his videos from Block"I only have one copy of Cleopatra Jones in the whole state"buster of Richard, close you eyes and then you see his character appear in your mind. Mudbone, His crazy ass mother " You flushed all that coke down the toilet?? I told you that Shit make you ignant!!!", the skits about his multiple wives, the white one" Its a black thing baby you wouldn't understand", The great story about his meeting with Leon Spinks; " I ain't got no wife, I ain't got no job and I don't have no teefusses!!!. So as long as some sexually challenged whiteboy can get his hand on a flash kit you will keep seeing the bullshit produced. Oh by the way.... Much ups to Urbanentertainment on receiving funding, but a word to the wise it is not to business savvy say the following ""Ironically we were fortunate not to have been a beneficiary of the dot-com funding frenzy last year. Because of our limited resources, we were forced to create a real business and to develop sound financial discipline." Most people that do good business make sure that it is part of their mantra, who would not want UBO's 50,000,00 if you knew what to do with it, Give me 50,000,00 and I could have Sinister offices protecting every BLACK BLOCK from the man. Mr. Sinister protection services protecting you from the Urban Mind Set. Our Motto " What the fuck does it really mean to be urban????" |
Hey Stonefox, white as paper: shut the fuck up. I try to observe the posts and keep myself out of the fray, but you force me to intervene. You are calling people ignorant and illiterate, so I've decided to include some of your gems.
"PS Since you and Spike so "cool" why don't you get him to pay for your desperately needed education?"
"We don't need to be hit over the head with a message one and why should we have accept mediocrity because it's "positive".
You are a jackass, man. Don't come on here tryin' to insult mugs as though you got some kind of clout. There's nothing worse than a mug that thinks he's smarter than everybody. Get off Shaan's dick. He argues with logic, and when he throws insults they are classic, not all laggy like yours. Learn how the game is played, sucker. You're the type of bitch that gets too drunk at the party and wakes up with a headache and no wallet.
Please don't comment on anyone's grammar, nor their orthography. Your grammar is deplorable. Most people can't produce perfect copy, for it is a highly refined skill.
Finally, you are a fuckin' punk that is ego overboard.
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Bamboozed wasn't bad but those cartoons aint mickey mouse |
Good story UE...andrew bamboozled was the shit....sham i can't believe u hatin' on spike like that he opened the doors 4 madd actors... |
Stonefox--
Yeah some people go to the movies to be entertained...so then go see Meet the Parents, or something like that.
Just the fact that you would say something like "the average Jamal" disgusts me. You are really coming off as pompous. I have one question for you...
Can you name one movie that you found to be one you learned from that was entertaining? I believe that some movies, like documentaries for instance, want people to go and research more of what is bring to the table.
So rather than bashing black folks that are trying to bring a message to people, why don't you give us a better solution? White people are already jumping all over the movie, and for the reasons that you claim: they want to be entertained. Forget about entertainment for a minute. Spike appears to be a social activist. His forum is movies. If you do not like what he has to say, and from the commercials that aired (well in the theaters, because I don't think I really saw any on TV), it was clear that this movie wasn't why did you go?
Black people, we are so quick to criticize...but if we aren't doing anything to make it better, then what does it matter? It's like all these celebrities talking about "rock the vote". We can vote, but we have to remain consistent afterwards, by making our wants and needs visible 365 days a year, not just on election day.
I get your point Stonefox. I get the point that you want to be entertained and you have your own thoughts. It is kind of sad that you think that people get the message if it is in an entertaining way. |
Did you go see SHINDLER'S LIST to be informed or entertained? Did you watch ROOTS to be informed or entertained?
These filmed features offered viewers a look at a slice of history that was harmful to a segment of the populations depicted in the films. BAMBOOZLED falls into this category along with a film like COLOR PURPLE.
For many, the story of Celie, the battered, all but forgotten, caretaker of a home and family, was a dark tale of a time rural African-Americans would like to forget. It was long. It was funny sometimes. It was serious other times. And sometimes it hurt to watch. The themes were extremely serious and intimate to those living the Black Experience.
I feel the same way about BAMBOOZLED. The "average Jamal" as someone put it, WILL NOT like this movie. But the "average Jamal" doesn't make any decisions on television prgramming for any of the major networks either. Nor does he alone decide what records get released, what commercials get made, or what videos get major budgets. High brow, experienced, veteran players, in the entertainment industry make those decisions.
This is who BAMBOOZLED was made for.
For the gentleman that said that images, movies, songs et. al. dont have anything to do with the pervasiveness of racism, both in thought and practice, I would say you dont understand neuro sensory response.
We are programmed by our experience and feelings associated with experiences to respond in a fairly predictable pattern. Pleasure associated with an experience will bring about a favorable response when contact is made with the experiential subject the next time. And an unfavorable response will result from a painful experience.
No doubt, most would agree, that blatant sexuality, violence, mysogeny, substance abuse, materialism and coarse language is offensive and painful for most of America . The fact that African-Americans are disproportianatly depicted in the practice of these offensive acts, means White America, and Black America, integrate a neuro-sensory reponse, independent of concious thought, based on what, for many, is the most extended and consistent contact they will have with African-Americans during a determined amount of time.
We are then mistreated and discrminated against and a large part of it is the imagery used to depict us.
This practice has long been used to augment the oppressive initiatives of the oppressor against African-Amricans. We were "Animals", "Savages", "Lazy", "Crazy", "Dumb". Have been for years and years. That is one of the things Spike was trying to say in this film.
Shann, and Desus Nice, why do you think that there is a dearth of positive images of Blacks in the media? Because it is threatening to White America's strategy to continue to oppress, thats why.
If it is your opinion that BAMBOOZLED was boring, so be it. But the message needed to be delivered. If we continue to participate in the dissemination of the images, then we take steps to continue our own oppression.
Max.
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Leroy Street,
As a professional writer, words are my business. You won't ever catch me up in here talking about a sites's information architecture or design because I don't know shit about that. As a part of this community however, I will speak on what I feel are my areas of expertise. I'm confident in my ability to express myself clearly and coherently and with the use of proper orthography and get paid to do so, thank YOU very much motherfucker.
Leroy, I know it must have been hard for you to take the time away from your computer adaptable battery operated plastic vagina to attempt to "check" me, since it's pretty obvious that's the only piece of poontang your bitter sexually frustrated ass ever sees but umm, try again.
YOU remind me of that stupid ass nigga standing outside the club with his 8-ball jacket and fresh wave nouveau wondering why the bouncer won't let him in. Buy a fucking clue.
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I know one of us better grab our little brother, or one of those talented young ex-grafitti artists we know, some of those hundred of movie/scriptwriters we know, and I propose an animated series on the start page of UE !! |
I'm still waiting to see The Boondocks get animated. Other than that, I'll settle for KillFrog.com - it's kind of cheesy, over the top, but it's on point for mocking the obsessions of the media and pop culture. And who can argue with seeing Sam Donaldson "getting jiggy with it" in their Elian skit? (Try sending him back to 'El Diablo' - it never works.) |
CHECK OUT WWW.THEROMP.COM
if you wanna see more questionable
stuff such as "sex in the inner city" |
"Mr. Wong" is just part of the backlash
against Asian-Americans as we
finally begin to become visible in
the American mainstream. "Mr. Wong"
is just the latest incarnation in a
long line of racist, anti-Asian
stereotypes that have always been,
unfortunately, extremely visible to
our children. He is the same
old Uncle Tom that has always been
used against us to put us in our
"place." The difference now is that
Mr. Wong is Uncle Tom in cyberspace. |
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www.ighetto.com gives an assortment of pimps smackin' hoes, old black pimps teaching young white pimps, big black men being used as car theft devices, Mr. T killing Tupac over Cheetos (I'm not kidding), an OJ version of Mortal Combat and all sorts of ignorant behavior passing as entertainment.
These flash animators must enjoy the anonymous nature they can display racism, violence and overall stupidity these sites allow. |
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