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Wednesday, October 18 04:21 PM
Honeymag Lags. Well Mister, Here Comes Isister.
They say a bee dies after it loses its sting: Vanguarde Neomedia has yet to launch their foray into the urban women's portal wars. Honeymag.com is currently just a shill for the print magazine. The brand name represents a large group under-represented, intelligent, smart and upwardly mobile set of black women who are looking for a home on the web. They haven't found it at honeymag.com.

Honeymag.com is currently an anemic frame based site with a few reprinted articles from the magazine. Tiny text in a bottom frame serves as the navigation for the site. Each area has three re-purposed articles or sections from the magazine. The site's update schedule is not clear; the editor-in-chief is still listed as Asondra R. Hunter and the horoscopes are from August. The archives are non-existent. Our favorite area is Ask Musanna, an advice column. We really need to ask her something important.
Hmmmm.

It seems at some point instead of using the stronger Honey magazine brand online, they are going with a broader named property of Isister. Somehow that name conjures up images of a robotic girl with pointy titties and easy spirit shoes rather than an online content and community center for hip trend-setting urban women. The current site for Isister.com consists of what we have come to expect from a Neomedia site: A flash intro and a form to register for increasingly pushed back launch dates.

Isister.com may never see the light of day, but you get a first hand view of it here. The site mockup consists of ideas standard fare for making a site sticky. They include the ubiquitous free branded e-mail, chat and bulletin boards. The control panel at the bottom will most likely make another appearance on the Impact 24/7 website. The site also includes a space also for a pager feature and games, which Bo Kemp probably lifted from blackplanet.com. Maybe we could finally get a real game of spades going where someone knows what "wheels" means.







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Name:
t.tara turk Clout: 22
Company:
Parhelik Sirkle  

see previous postings....once again...is it just me or do those pages look like the burger king menu?
Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

Notice the HONEY mag banner in the corner..
Name:
afFLicted Clout: 77
Company:
potentially harmful inc.  


hey MIRANDA...I know you don't really like HONEY but did you check out the swimsuit section site??

Some of the girls are really ugly, and some have a complextion that reminds me of that episode of Diff"rent Strokes when Kimberly dressed up like a Black girl to teach her racist boyfreind a lesson.

Some of them also have long Aliyah-esque torso's.

There's also a pretty good article about MYA in there with some very flattering pictures of her underbite.

I just wish there was more stuff there about that whole Biggie /Tupac thing.

What you think?
Name:
hypnotic Clout: 9
Company:
iona  

"sweating out my perm"...give me a break is that the best sports/fitness content they can come with

damn
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

Can someone clarify for me whether isister.com
is a Neo Media designed property or one that they
contracted Nechelle Feasters' Feast New Media to
design? Speaking of Nechelle, take a gander at:

www.feastnewmedia.com

These are the designers that will offer today's woman
innovation and forward design? How much was that bridge
again? Don't believe me look at:

www.johnsonenterprises.com

Do you notice how someone jacked the Jagged Edge logo? Somebody
get Jermaine Dupri on the phone. Or how about my personal fave:

www.colorofhealth.com

A specialty site for 'us' that don't know no better we be going to the
doctor, so I s'pose we should log on and find out how to cure what
ails us. Give me a break.

I've been clowning my peops at Vanguarde all day long. Good going
Keith. Oh, and don't think we didn't notice that you seem to hire
alot of AAIA members for projects which never get off the ground.


Name:
tokachu Clout: 371
Company:
Neptune's Jewels  

i wonder how much feast new media charged for that.

anyway that shit is crazy -- "where to find a good man." y'all 'sisters' be trippin'.
Name:
Ed Dunn Clout: 157
Company:
iblaq  

I really like it, everybody coming out with the same old shit on their homepage. What they don't realize is they are doing nothing but collectively watering down the value of Black content sites.
Name:
Desus Nice Clout: 116
Company:
Straight out of lowcash  

all these sites make it seem as if there is a "urban website" template on
Frontpage 2000
Name:
Ed Dunn Clout: 157
Company:
iblaq  

tokachu,

where do you find a good sister at? Here is my list

Best:
Atlanta,GA
NYC/Newark
Houston,TX
Reston,VA
Jackson,MS

Worst:
Chicago,IL
Detroit,MI
Cleveland,OH
Baltimore,MD
Chicago,IL
Name:
Dee Burton Clout: 11
Company:
Premire Publicity, Ltd.  

LMAO, Ed...there are some decent sisters outta Cleaveland. Can't speak for the rest...technically I can't speak for Cleaveland, being from NYC and all. But one of my peeps is fresh outta Cleaveland...she's good sirloin. Being straight outta Brooklyn, I am never one to down the beautiful women that hail from our city, but um...maybe you ain't been lookin around. Just as some of us are beautiful, some of us are just downright scurry. I mean, Mimic and Pitch Black-type scurry.
Name:
t.tara turk Clout: 22
Company:
Parhelik Sirkle  

the next issue of stank.com should definitely address your good sister search. by the way, don't sleep on midwest girls.
Name:
andrew jackson Clout: 130
Company:
binz.com  

Every web site guide advises a site creator to minimise flash, animations, java and anything that clutters a site. But it seems to be the case that all urban sites MUST have all these competing against each other even on the same page (e.g. 360hiphop).

Even accessing some of these sites at work (with aT1 line) can crash my computer.
Name:
Desus Nice Clout: 116
Company:
Straight out of lowcash  

I think that talks to the current state of "flossin" in hip-hop right now. The more, the better. The more unnecessary, the more bling bling. Nobody needs Platinum teeth, a bentley and a matching gucci outfit. But because a few knuckleheads have them, everyone wants one. Same with websites. Nobody needs a cluttered flash design, bad streaming audio/video/ and or poor (or no) e-commerce options. But because the first couple of wack sites had them, (and they were "groundbreaking...LOL") now everysite seems to want them. It's as if designers are saying "fuck content....we need more flash"
And don't even get me started on Wackplanet.com....
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

By and large I must sing the praises of
those Earth girls from Brooklyn. You know the
type, they burn incense, get their twist tightened
up at Black Roots or Tendrils, shop at Moshood and
always smell like they just stepped out of a bath using
all of those Carol's Daughter bath salts, body lotions
right before applying the shea butter to their scalps.

Yes, I love women that have read Assata's bio and cried
because they realize that all the struggles they bitch
about pale in comparision. There's nothing like a woman
that knows how to listen to the silence and truly understand
that you've both seen too much so this is truly paradise.

I'll take a girl from Park Slope, that was raised in Bed Stuy
and hung out with her cousin's in Brownsville where she met her
best friend from Bushwick that took her to hang out in Fort Greene
anyday. B.K where you at?



Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

STOP THE PRESSES THIS JUST IN...

Got an e-mail from a former employee of
Nechelle Feasters' Feast New Media, that
seem to be the one's responsible for Vanguarde's
newest brainchild www.isister.com

Here it goes...

"I worked for Feast this summer"

"and just in case you hadn't already heard, feast is out of
business. yep, it was confirmed when i was back in nyc over my fall break.
me, john, and the other programmer (who i go to school with and who is
now working for vanguarde also) always knew that nechelle didn't know
what she was doing....it was all just a matter of time.
peace, -v-"

Let the hating begin!


Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

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Name:
Diane Clout: 41
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Hey...there was an ad fo a free Blues Clues video. Now THAT interests me. They keep up with ads like that, I'm most DEFINITELY gonna frequent. That little dog is cute eh?

tsk. tsk.

Remember that really bad movie starring Eric LaSalle, Drop Squad? I think Keith should be the one we drop first. I volunteer to slap him around a bit. Y'all can take over the business of teaching him bout doing stuff. But I want the job of smacking him 'k?
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

You forgot the site blurp Thuglite,

T.C. Bandit
Nationally syndicated show, "We Remember" and WHUR,
morning show Washington, DC

T.C. Bandit WHUR (Morning Show) & nationally syndicated
"We Remember" Washington, D.C.

T.C. has won three national Achievement in Radio (AIR)
awards. Her show "offers a daily dose of oxygen for wives,
girlfriends, and lovers who are dealing with unruly men and
naughty boys."

Has three "crumbsnatchers" (children).

Quote: "I've been doing morning radio for 15 years. Therefore,
I am accustomed to functioning without sleep. I don't even
push the snooze on my alarm anymore. So rest assured I'd
be on time for your show!"

T.C. is on the Web at:
http://www.tcbandit.com/Press/press_weekly_magazine.htm


Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

good looking SHAAN
Name:
nimmy_2 Clout: 133
Company:
brick and mortar  

Shaan James,

Cool shout out to BK. Although the candles at Carol's Daughter beat the incense any day...
Name:
Miss Bee Clout: 86
Company:
OgilvyInteractive  

Fuck Carol's Daughter. Queen Afua's products rock. THAT'S Brooklyn.
Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

Diane i can get you a BLUES CLUES plush doll....
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

In revisting the thread I noticed that TC
made mention of being on time, was there a
question of her not being able to? And if so,
was RACE a factor (CP Tyme anyone?). Just wondering...
Name:
WTF Clout: 31
Company:
wtfinc  

Hey Ms bee does Queen Afua have a site with flash in it

Big up to coffe shop chicks from Brooklyn


Its kind of embarresing that a design house like feast was even able to pay there bills but yeah most designers who dont know shit about content or IA are stupid as shit anyway
Name:
Afro Spice Clout: 98
Company:
urban but not urban  

Nechelle Feasters used to flirt a lot to get contracts. I mean.. there is a limit to flirting to get ahead.

She wasn't sleeping with guys , but man she was all up on them. She always had her hand damn near in people's laps. Near the power area.

Last i heard , she was making some good money doing sites for people and her boyfriend said fuck that and knocked her ass up on purpose. It's hard to flirt to get contracts when you are 6 months pregnant.

Now she lost all the momentum she gained from doing mediocre sites.
Name:
tokachu Clout: 371
Company:
Neptune's Jewels  

hmmm reston is a nice place. i visited there before -- a venture firm that wanted toooooooooooooo much, also wanted me to relocate there as a condition of them giving me the honor of having more voting rights than me. go figure [rolls eyes]. anyway a lot of money flowing in reston.

jackson, ms - quivers at the thought of ever visiting mississippi ... period. someone told me about a bad experience in that god forsaken hick infested hell hole and i don't want to check it out for myself. (never set foot in there, and i don't plan on doing so.)

houston - i can't stand texas, i went to dallas (for a cowboys game) one time. i know it's not houston, but texas is texas.

atlanta - nice city. i went up there a few times for braves games this season. (*cries at the thought of the braves not being in the world series*)

nyc - another nice city. i lived in connecticut before i came down to florida for school and i use to visit nyc on a weekly basis. very interesting city to say the least.
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

Afro,

Your claws are showing and I am salivating,
thanks. I think we can getting STANKer though.

Since this is obviously rag the mags week, has anyone
visited www.thesource.com lately? Why does Dave continue
to shove the repackaged Made Men (Almighty RSO) down our
throats? Hasn't the fact that they've gone double wood in
the hood shown that we don't care about them? Oh and what's
the deal with that school in GA banning dreadful FUBU under the
guise that's its a product by a black company that promotes a
separatist agenda? Is this a conspiracy by "The Community",
those mythical black folks that are discussed by Sharpton and
other zealots which have meetings that I never get invited to and
only hear about after one of us embarrasses themselves in the media?

Queen Afua? Thanks for the plug I'll check them out and have wifey
give them a review. "Fuck Carol's Daughter" - Ms. Bee
As much as the premise of copulating with reckless abandon with the
aforementioned may tempt, I must pass.

s
AKA - J.D. (Juan Diaz - "I want the ass")



Name:
Miss Bee Clout: 86
Company:
OgilvyInteractive  

HEAL THYSELF

http://www.queenafua.com/current_events.htm
Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

Green Life Super Nutritional Formula I

Master Herbal Formula II

Inner Ease Colon Deblocker Formula III

Cascara Segrada Herbal Laxative Tablets IV

Queen Afua's Rejuvenation Clay 8oz. V

Queen Afua's Rejuvenation Clay 16oz. V

Breath of Spring Mucus Decongestor VI

Woman's Life Herbal Formula VIII

Heal Thyself 3-Day

Heal Thyself 21-Day Cleansing Kit

Womb Works 3-Step Wellness Pack

notice there are no prices on there... she must be costly...

as far as CAROLS DAUGHTER... i dont mess with yet... they dont let you try b4 u buy... i'll stick with KIEHLS who at least give you samples before u buy it test it out ....
Name:
KnickyLuvBug Clout: 9
Company:
 

F@#k Carol's Daughter??? What are you insane Bee...Her stuff is the greatest. Granted I like Queen Afua's things...but whenever I put some of Carol Daughter's stuff on my man let's the DOG out no doubt... Thug..Queen Afua's things are a little pricey but they too are worth every penny!

Name:
Miss Bee Clout: 86
Company:
OgilvyInteractive  

I'm not feeling industry girls doing fruity bath gels. i like my products as natural as I can get them. Sorry.
Name:
t.tara turk Clout: 22
Company:
Parhelik Sirkle  

can somebody say what afua's prices really are? specially since she doesn't. like carol's daughter...some of that stuff is a little oily though. i'm just happy they finally got a staff with some manners up in there. cause before you had to wear camouflage just to buy some salt scrub.
Name:
hypnotic Clout: 9
Company:
iona  

i don't know how this turned into an ad for beauty products...but i have gone to carol's daughter many of times the stuff smells good..but i bought some nettles and lavendar body butter thingy...NASTY...damn and my eczema got worse and it stank i mean it was repulsive plus the hike to bk i dont know if it is really worth it i still need to be converted

Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

t. tark,

Here you go...

Green Life Super Nutritional Formula I = $18

Master Herbal Formula II = $18

Inner Ease Colon Deblocker Formula III = $10

Cascara Segrada Herbal Laxative Tablets IV = $7

Queen Afua's Rejuvenation Clay 8oz. V = $12

Queen Afua's Rejuvenation Clay 16oz. V = $18

Breath of Spring Mucus Decongestor VI = $15

Woman's Life Herbal Formula VIII = $15

Heal Thyself 3-Day = $40

Heal Thyself 21-Day Cleansing Kit = $175

Womb Works 3-Step Wellness Pack = $25

Heal Thyself 7-Day = $65

They are located at 106 Kingston Avenue,
between Dean & Bergen (so bring your Teflon
vest or leave the motor running). The hours
are Tues - Saturday, 10 a.m - 5 p.m. and the
phone number is 718.221.Heal.

FYI - The 21-Day Cleansing Kit includes:
3 Formula 1's, 3 Formula 2's, 3 Formula 3's,
3 Formula 4's, 1 breath of Spring, 1 4 oz clay,
1 Heal Thyself book & manual.

I say we buck up and send David Watkins's a care
package for his skin (couldn't resist).

Name:
VentiMochaFrap Clout: 63
Company:
DailyGrind  

Now, It may just be my perception, but the prevaling opinion in the UE commentary seems to be that women in the field get ahead not on merit but on sexual favors.

It disturbs me that there is so little regard for women's talent. It shames me that the brothers on this site are so quickly dissmissive and that the sisters are so slow to defend.

It is possible that these (or any other) urban women web professionals MIGHT have talent that has nothing to do with their sexuality. And that this talent might be what gets them ahead?

I find it equally offensive to suggest that a woman's career is somehow controlled by her male partner who dictates her reporductive schedule.

Last time I checked, it takes two willing partners make a child. And unless I'm mistaken, women have quite a bit more control over the process than men.

Criticize on the quality of the work, the execution of its ideas or the talent of the team. It is demeans us to attack women from a male view of their sexual value. We get enough of that in the mainstream.
Name:
brownsuga Clout: 7
Company:
cbs news  

Forget about Queen Afua and Carol's Daughter...the best beauty products (salt scrubs, soap, etc.) are available at www.woodspirits.com. If your man liked Carol's daughter, he'll LOVE Woodspirits...sounds corny, but its true...and that's comin straight from a BK girl...
Name:
Desus Nice Clout: 116
Company:
Straight out of lowcash  

Hmmm..... Did Spike make that same point in Bamboozled?????????????
Name:
brownsuga Clout: 7
Company:
cbs news  

Yeah, Spike made that point on Bamboozled...but it went totally over my head being that Jada's character did in fact sleep with her boss...we really can't assume he gave her a job because she gave him some, but it sure seemed that way to me.
Name:
Dee Burton Clout: 11
Company:
Premire Publicity, Ltd.  

Damn, y'all are making me wanna go and buy that claw foot bathtub I saw in the Village. I need Carol and the Queen to take me away right about now. All I gotta do is convince my miserly ass landlord to upheave this Florida Evans bathtub that's here now...shit makes me shudder.
Name:
Ed Dunn Clout: 157
Company:
iblaq  

Hate to play devil advocate but I think the "urban web professional" is a joke. I don't think any of the people being referred in that light to can't do more than look/talk pretty in a corporate position. I think both men and women that claim this title are equally dissed.

Most of these "urban web professional" are running around with a false sense of power. The title looks good on a business card, in a trade magazine but shallow. I seen these same shallow people in the Valley, no knowledge of the technology but running around with the chic title of being a web person.

I can't wait when the Black shawn fannings start coming out the woodpile, programming their own peer-to-peer networks, portals and solutions making millions while BET and Blackvoices try to sing and dance to their investors for another round of financing....

Most are only as good as the funding they get. I haven't heard a profit yet from any of these "urban web" companies..I hear other BS they put out like Media Metrix crap..believe me, if they were profitable they would be the first to shout that too...

Name:
Ed Dunn Clout: 157
Company:
iblaq  

Dee,

Just go to an abandon complex and pull out an eagle claw bathtub and clean it up...no need to buy a new one...
Name:
VentiMochaFrap Clout: 63
Company:
DailyGrind  

I didn't intend to make an issue of "urban web proffessional. It was not meant to stand as a title, just a description of a person who does internet work in some capacity for one or more the "urban" sites we have been dicussing here.

I agree, there are many underqualified, overpaid people in the internet space, urban or otherwise. I just want us to take issue with their ability, not their gender.

Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

Ed,

I guess since you're playing Deniro,
I'll bite and play Keeanu. I got
involved with a few of these "urban
professionals" doing the IA for a project
and I can tell you I have never seen such
inepitude and laziness. They spent all of
clients money on "guerilla marketing" which
is just another way of saying they hired their
friends from the club to promote the venture.

The client was pretty clear in their desire to
reach the 18-34 demographic, particularly women
yet what these professionals came up with would
have made even Spike the opportunist dumbfounded.
Question: Do women want their feminine hygiene
products delivered with a hip hop message, or do
they just want a competitive product? One of these
"urban professionals" had the gumption to surmise
that "urban women don't understand or retain the
message unless you package it in a language they
can understand" which left me angry and ready to
kick her (yeah surprise, surprise) ass.

We I think of "urban professional" that immediately
makes me think of cooning, shucking and jiving to a
hip hop beat claiming to rep the streets. If this is
the future of all things urban, I'll stick to the
mainstream.
Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

Shaan ? what excatly are you HEALING and CLEANSING with QUEEN's products?


btw
I say we buck up and send David Watkins's a care
package for his skin (couldn't resist).

Where do i send my $ and is it tax deductible?
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

Thug,

I've never tried the product, but I assume
this will probably clean people's urine after
smoking all that weed once that dot.com goes bust
and they have to go back to work in Corporate
America and piss in the cup. But I may be wrong.

I called Vanguarde and demanded to speak to Keith, but
that damn receptionist hung up on me when I started asking
questions about 'why Honey's new issue sucks. I really
must work on my phone manners.

Why is www.volume.com spamming me to submit reviews? Especially,
since they haven't launched yet. Does someone need content
writers? Hmmm...
Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

jailed Death Row rap impresario Suge Knight is still yacking.

Now in his fourth year behind bars for probation violation, Knight is turning up therhetorical assault, with jabs at Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, O.J. Simpson, Magic Johnson, Eminem, Jesse Jackson and others in two separate interviews with Bob Guccione Jr.'s Gear magazine and Controversy.

On Snoop: "I don't have any feelings towards that impostor. He can't walk into any ghetto...because everybody sees him for what he is, a fake."

On Dre: "I can't stand him. People say I was cruel to call him a faggot, but what's pissing me off the most is that he was dishonest about it. I don't have anything against gay people... To each his own. Back in the day, we would have parties, and he'd pretend to be with all these women.That's why Eminem is trying to distance himself from Dre by raping all this anti-gay shit. He doesn't want to be thought of as Dre's little white bitch."

On Eminem: "He's funny. But he better be careful because he's a white boy who says 'N*****' a litle too often. He's gonna say it around the wrong person who is going to take it to heart and bring his white ass down. I like he guy, but he needs to be careful."

On O.J.: "A punk ass. The jury thought if they convicted him, there would be another riot. But what they didn't realize was that black folks didn't like O.J. at all. They hated him. He didn't give a shit about folks in the ghetto. His friends were in Brentwood and they surely weren't oging to riot over him being convicted."

On Magic: "efore he got AIDS, he was just a basketball player who happened to go both ways. Now, he's an icon, but every time he pulls his dick out, it's attempted murder. He can afford the drugs that make him healthy. What about the kids in the ghetto who can't? They're dying."

On Jesse Jackson and Maxine Waters: "I look at them with disgust. I hate the term African American. People like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks worked hard to make black people Americans. I'd prefer you call me black or even colored. Guys like Jesse aren't giving money back to the ghetto. They're just pocketing the money and using it for themselves."

On his friendship with John F. Kennedy Jr.: "He and I used to play football every Sunday when I was in New York. One day I took a leak in the bushes in Central Park and he was like, 'I wish I could do that. But, if I did, the cameras would be all over me.' Fame had limited him. When I heard the news about his death, I thought, 'We just lost one of our future presidents... a great one."

On his own possiblefuture in politics: "If we want to make a difference, we need to clean up the ghetto. We need to demand the fathers of these ghetto kids stay around. This needs to start way back in elementary school because if you don't catch the kids by then, they'll be in prison or on drugs or dead."
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

Before you all start spamming me about the
vast amount of posts on the thread in one day
note, I had the day off and too much time on my
hands. So, I dug up the Feburary edition the KIP
Business Report to give Mr. Clinkscales an op to
speak about his b.i. in his own words. Let me preface
this by noting that one Ms. Asondra Hunter is featured in
the accompanying photo displaying her nails, seated next to
a grinning Barry Wade and the standing Len Burnett that may
want to consider a hair transplant. Take it away Keith:

KBR: Let's talk about Honey.
KC: While I was at Vibe, I noticed music magazines traditionally
have a mostly male readership, Rolling Stone averaged about 75%
male; Spin is a little higher than that, and the Source is even
a little higher than that in terms of male to female readership.
Vibe was never like that. Vibe Started out about 60 and kept going
south getting closer to 50 percent male/female readership.

I saw there was an opportunity on that female side of the Vibe market
place.

KBR: Is Honey a younger, hipper, multi-cultural Essence?
KC: No, I won't say that. Essence is Essence. Essence is a 31 year old,
classic institution that Honey cannot even be mentioned in the same breath
with yet. If Essence has any problems, it's that it has to cover such a big
market, women from 18 to 54 - the daughter, the mother, and the grandmother.
What we are trying to do is focus on the psycholograhically younger side of
that, not teen, but the young adult side of that audience. I want to make
sure - please print this - the respect I have for Essence is immense. They're
a great publication. Game has to recognize game. A lot of publications (on the
market) - I'm not naming names - are run by opportunistic publishers, the same
way, quite frankly, Honey was. Most people think a magazine is simply editorial,
which is the kep to any media venture, and it certainly is advertising but the
circulation, the promotion, the how you handle yourself in the marketplace, how
you position the public relations, all those different things come together to give
you your place in the marketplace. That's what makes it hot. That's what makes you
part of the discussion or the lexicon.

KBR: Let's go online. What do you see ahead?
KC: ...what I want to do with Vanguarde I want to build a place where we can put stuff
together better than anybody else. So I feel that if I can get some old media properties,
namely magazines, and build a content studio...We basically want to be able to have a content
studio so we can service a number of different urban or non-urban web things, because people
always need good stuff. Good stuff on the Internet is stuff that is sticky, stuff that attracts
advertisers, stuff that attracts eyeballs, stuff that attracts press and quite frankly stuff that
can be promoted. Most of the money that goes towards raising money for any Internet venture goes
toward promotion and making people believe that something's hot. Now, if there's anything that we
at Vanguarde can do, we can make people, once we get rolling, believe and understand that this is
hot, this is wise...

I'll let this stand alone for now and comment later. Any questions?



Name:
Darqbrown Clout: 66
Company:
 

Yeah Shaan, I have a question...can you sum up what Keith said for me because I started nodding off as soon as I read "while I was at Vibe."
By the way, you think Keith learned how to fuck shit up while at FAMU? HBC's don't typically teach that. I wonder how Keith fell through the
cracks.

Hmm...I'm diggin' the idea of STANK more and more. Hey, you think the last page of the magazine should be titled YOU STANK!!?? There we can feature the stankest of the stank in the world and go off on them. Yeah...I'm feelin' that. And when we
feature Keith, can we change the title of the page to STANK ASS HEIFER SON OF A BITCH? Just wonderin'.
Name:
urbanetikz_thetan_2 Clout: 75
Company:
Imageyenation  

All yall chickens on here clucking about these beauty products need to stop fucking around... cocoa butter, clean skin, natural hair, intelligence and a non-bitch attitude are all a woman needs to be attractive.

And as for the "Earth girls" that get their "twists tightened" at any salon.. get some real locks befor I shave your fucking head. Stop fronting.
Name:
IsoDope Clout: 13
Company:
Hip Hop State Of Mind  

yeah, stop fucking around......

and while you're at it, stop fronting too.
Name:
Steve Gilliard Clout: 74
Company:
Netslaves  

"All yall chickens on here clucking about these beauty products need to stop fucking around... cocoa butter, clean skin, natural hair, intelligence and a non-bitch attitude are all a woman needs to be attractive.

And as for the "Earth girls" that get their "twists tightened" at any salon.. get some real locks befor I shave your fucking head. Stop fronting. "


My brother,

And you would have to own a penis to make those comments, I'd suggest that you keep those opinions to yourself.

Say that to a woman and you WILL be pulling your foot from your ass.

It beats using all that skin lightning, hair straightening shit people used to buy.

I have learned that there is nothing to be gained by telling women to NOT spend their money on a bunch of shit which seems like a waste of time.

Although all that "Earth Girl" shit seems to be trying to hard to be black to me. Considering that the main accesory for a head full of dreads is a blonde woman, you might consider that the only people really into that are white guys. If the brothers don't want Halle Berry, they want Nia Long, or more likely, Cameron Diaz.

Of course, you know that would be some Brooklyn shit. If it ain't boiling babies or some other crazy shit, it's let's see how black we are. You knew Spike Lee would find the lightest black woman he could, because after all that hating on white women, which was bullshit, you know he wasn't gonna find some sister with dreads and a nice afro sheen.

Suge is funny.

He makes me laugh.

Of course, when he gets out of jail, a whole lot of people will not be laughing. Starting with the US Attorney, who will be looking to tag him with a federal rap for breathing hard.

Skank magazine? You mean the Jenny Jones show? "I get paid for sex" was yesterday's show.

The best sister is the one you find and doesn't make a sport of telling you what a loser you are.

Oh, and wasn't UE owned by Vanguarde? :-) I guess not.
Name:
jimi Clout: 6
Company:
 

yo Diane . . . .Drop Squad was lightwieght dope . . . .well ahead of its time even if it looked like crap . . . .Keith's not a bad cat . . .just wants to be all things to all people, ad it ain't workin' out fo 'em . . . .but yeah, drop that MOFO anyway
Name:
urbanetikz_thetan_2 Clout: 75
Company:
Imageyenation  

Steve Gilliard... you are no joke man. I tend to agree with everything you comented on actually. Makes sense.

Not that I'm retracting my short but sweet diatribe against the "earth girl's", but I agree with your point of view.

Re-spect!
Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

Darq, Keith said "Glaack, glaack, glaack,
glaa, glaa, glaack, glaa" (like the adults
on Charlie Brown) alot of nothing and too
much self-praising about his Vibe days, while
trying to be PC on his feelings about Essence,
which I have on good authority aren't PC.
I'm surprised he's gotten this far without one of
his constituents (urbanites) beating his Steadman
Graham ass. I feel you on the STANKness of it all.

Name:
Shaan James Clout: 201
Company:
eCritical iMinded  

For those of you that doubt the significance
of the thread check this out:

From: Keith Clinkscales <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@vanguarde.com
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:20:03 -0400

If you would like to speak with me...My number is 646 654 4200. My e-mail is
attached. Thanks.


Now if I can just get Darrien to answer my e-mails,
all will be peachy. Keith at least is man enough
to face his detractors. I'll let you know how it
pans out.
Name:
thuglite Clout: 375
Company:
u cant hande the truth  

Shaan WOW, can u email me, plus you can figure out keith email, hehehehe
Name:
Darqbrown Clout: 66
Company:
 

You know...that email address didn't have those x's over it earlier. Did the folks at UE do that? I wonder if the SAHSOB (see earlier post)aka Keith STANKscales, complained. Hmm...INTERESTING!
Name:
VentiMochaFrap Clout: 63
Company:
DailyGrind  

What does everyone think about Time Warner buying 49% of Essence?
Name:
KnickyLuvBug Clout: 9
Company:
 

Heads Up,

For those of you who didn't catch Keith's email address it's....

Keith.Clinkscales@vanguarde.com

Name:
Stonefox Clout: 33
Company:
white as paper  

WTF,

What's really embarrassing is that you can't spell the word. E-M-B-A-R-R-A-S-S. My baby sister is done with her hooked on phonics. Would you like to borrow it?

PS I have it on good authority that "Brooklyn Coffee (C-O-F-F-E-E)shop chicks" as you so eloquently named them, would rather not be bigged up by men who received their formal educational instruction in prison.
Name:
TeckieGeek Clout: 53
Company:
Activism.NET  

Uhmm... that's it?

Bored of the latest UE articles? Try:

www.gwbush.com

and

www.thesmokinggun.com




PS - Vanguarde NeoMedia sucks!
Name:
Pandora Clout: 10
Company:
NYU  

I think there's some conflict of interest shit going down with the whole
BET/Vanguarde/BET.com/Honeymag.com/Isister.com websites. I mean, instead
of several competing mediocre sites, wouldn't it be a good idea to develop
one portal for women and do it well?

Honeymag has no excuse not to be on point. There is an audience out there
starving for a good young website. We have such limited choices. I am looking
a little more intelligent than video hoes and what luster products to use.

Damn, I didn't want to get into this urban game but if you want something
done you have to do it yourself...
Name:
missthang Clout: 12
Company:
 

Well, where my niggas at???????
BK has the finest thug honeys on the planet, if you need a Tim wearing dred with a sexy ice grill or any variation of sexy street nigga, they got it.
CHItown has the hard working brothers with real jobs..like civil service, not the bullshit industry jobs that make arrogant ass brothers think they hot shit when they NOT
Detroit, ditto (gotta give love to Flint, Ben Harbour, and Yspilanti too!)
L.A. -- please
Atlanta -- they're all under 25, though!
New Jersey-- more sexy thug brothers with braids and locks but too many issues
Richmond, VA. they're friendly down theah, but nobody combs their hair , they all look like refugees from the Goodie Mob
Uptown baby... need a man, join NYSC at 125th, these brothers look like extras from a video shoot

All right, just kidding..so don't start getting on my case, this board needs some jokes sometime
Anyone looking for a woman with Xena like porportions who throws her hands up like the Independent woman she is, hit me up on the two-way....
haha
Name:
rb90 Clout: 8
Company:
mnhtn  

ISISTER????!!!??
Name:
redroom3 Clout: 1
Company:
 

This has nothing to do with Honey Magazine, but why is the UrbanExpose "We are the Leader..." tag jacked with spelling mistakes? Jesus.

What, the Leader in "we don't hire people that know how to proofread?"
 
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