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Sayshe Begins Urban Women's Site War
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Sayshe.com beats the competition to the urban woman's content site arena. It is supposed to launch today with a simple party and no online or offline branding to speak of. The site was conceived by Lynne McDaniel, a human resources refusenik who actually wants to do film, but will settle for a website for now. Lured to Hookt to handle HR and shuffle some papers, she pressured them for money to start her own affiliate site. The Result: Sayshe.com
SayShe's CTO, Malaney Hill, the high tech version of Ray-Jay, whose successes include being Lauryn Hill's brother, got his start by building websites for the Fugees. His former company Tech-9 (http://www.tech-9.com) was more interested in parties than clients and preferred spotlight than the dull glow of CRT tubes. The company eventually folded after the Columbia work. In charge of editorial is Raquel Cepeda, a writer who had common sense and wears white for her initiation into Yoruba culture. Always ambitious, she is skipping initiate and going straight for priesthood.
 Their content features articles extolling the virtues of plastic two-prong dildos over dick, anemic puff pieces on popular music artists, and polls asking such questions as: A hickey on the neck is a socially acceptable "love scar"? There is also going to be a regular feature called "Cunning Lingo" in the Get Money section written by Wickham Boyle, which might not be so bad, if we can watch. They also have ads for Vibe Ventures answer to Honey, a new magazine called Homegirl, which of course will have a website that will directly compete with sayshe.com. Some of the ad boxes are just placeholders for now, which will probably be filled with Hooktstore.com ads. They also have ads for the yet to be launched hookthits.com, which is home for Ruffnation Records. Oooooh. Hardcore. Yeah we like it raw.
Visiting this site is like reading a magazine while in ReBar with D.J. Arson on the turntables, because although the music is hot, it's way to loud to read. The site has top and side navigation bars that can be confusing at times. Its crowded design leaves little room for content or new features. There is a form box located on the side that looks like it's for customer service, but it's really for searching. It turns up nothing. Their legal page is blank and their privacy statement is a template. The fashion section features blurry pictures of ensembles you can wear, if you can read the pixilated bitmapped text descriptions. An unusual bulletin board and chat system from ehosts.net round out the community offerings.
They are operating on a modest budget around $1 million dollars. Of course like many content plays, e-commerce takes the backseat and doesn't launch until a month from now. This often has the effect of losing customers from the initial surge of visitors who won't place the site in their mind as a shopping destination and requiring another marketing push to change that perception. It also adds the hurdle of integration of e-commerce options, which leads to the store being added as a separate area. We are sure you'll be able to get your Lil' Kim Emory boards somewhere else for the time being.
Sayshe/Homegirl launch party
The staff of UE enjoys the sayshe.com launch party. Jaquar is hot, with that supple feminine rounded belly that looked so good in suede chaps. She has Jill Scott's heart , Mary J's Voice and Missy Elliot's look. Her DJ was nasty on the mic.
Raquel, editor in chief of sayshe.com, gets down in her homegirl chic.
Chris Sealy, aka.com tag hag, and founder of the never updated loopholemag.com, puts off print magazine nirvana long enough to try to score with an intern.
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A trend emerges:
[*] e-commerce "coming soon"
[*] you can't stop the music
[*] blank space labeled "ad space"
[*] WEAK articles and interviews
[*] boring, slow site layout
[*] broken tech on voting and msg boards
No passion behind this boring celeb tracker. This site is 3 years too late.
You'd think they would have the writing tight and interesting - it's all they have to offer. Their demographic must be 9-14 year old girls.
Back to coding my own site. |
Is this what "urban" has come to mean? It's kind of depressing. And would somebody add a way to turn off that annoying music. |
Ok.
WWW.HIPHOPFANCLUB.COM
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To all of the people posting from HIPHOPFAN club. We understand that you're tryin to get eyeballs for the site and hopefully attract some investors so that one day your site can appear on this site, but spamming is definitely not the way. Maybe you guys are new to the web and don't understand that by spamming boards and chatrooms you can actually generate negative attention to your site and I'm sure you don't want that. So do all of us a favor and calm down with posting. You might one day wake up to find your site hacked!!!
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1) Spamming will not get you hits.
Don't do it.
2)Sayshe, which reminds me of heshe, is broken as of 9:36 AM. I get an internal error and this annoying midi file playing. Which is why I will leave the page to listen to Cibo Matto.
HR person wants to do film but does a website instead. How absofuckinglutely typical.
HR people should worry about health plans, not cheezy shit routinely done better by 19 yo Canadians. Seriously. www.getpink.com
Much better looking site. Trust me. And it's not broken either.
The web is it's own medium. Not the home for the broken dreams of wannabe TV network owners and film makers.
Anyone who uses a website as a substitute will be doomed.
And she got $1M US for that? come on.,
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How does UE know about ths site even before it launches? that's like cutting off a baby's feet - ouch!. the site curently has a "Internal Server Error" message on a dead page |
yeah cut it out -w-
WWW.HIPHOPFANCLUB.COM
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Ok what's up with the site being up an hour ago and now it's broke for real? I'm new to this site and am always willing to give a start up a chance, but come on. When I checked it out before it was "cute" but definitely not serious about any issue in particular (I think there was a random article about Joi and Gipp's fashion sense and a vote on best dressed couple?) Eek. |
modoe infinite
is your registration page fixed yet?
the colors clash with the text.
as of early yesterday the ll tracks didn't come on when you clicked on them
be not anxious but thorough before yo shit gets checked potna! |
OK-I have a few gripes! First off, what is the deal with the user's on this site criticizing other individuals artistic license?
Secondly-Half of the individuals who post messages on this site are illiterate morons who barely speak English. You guys need to stop looking at urban website's and look more towards an English text book! Just because this is an urban website doesn't mean you have to post ghetto messages written in Ebonics!
Thirdly-Can someone please, for the love of God give me an example of an urban website that has been done to everyone's satisfaction. Of course not! This is because there will never be any site on the net that everyone likes. Stop trying to figure out who is real and who is in it for the money-Everyone thinks alike and if your not interested in making money and your number one goal is to keep it real...Well I feel for you and your poor penniless family! |
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I like the following sites:
africana.com (well done, updated content, FREE, and no flash graphics)
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HIPHOPFANCLUB.COM is not broken. It's new. It's being tweeked. And it cost much less than 360 to make and It looks just as good if not better.
As for spamming... that's the way I'm doing it right now. I don't have the million dollar marketing and promotion budget.
And spamming does get hits... i got you guys to logon.
But anyway thanks. I'll your hating into consideration. All I want to do is make you guys happy anyway... after all you gave me a reason to post WWW.HIPHOPFANCLUB.COM again!
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What chu be meaning we bees posting ghetto
in Ebonics, fuk you bitch for i bust yur grill
just kidding
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I'm taking a survey.
How many of the critics on this site have their own site?
It would be interesting to see a perfect site!
Also, I would like to know whatelse is wrong with HIPHOPFANCLUB.COM.
I don't want to end up on the UE shit list. |
Has UrbanExpose ever considered having some of the representatives from these companies write a piece here...like have a say in what is being said about them...I really can't judge until I hear both sides. I don't even know if certain people are who they say they really are...I keep my identity hidden...
I would like to hear from the people who are being put in the line of fire...then we, the audience can make the decision.
As for the person/s behind hiphopfanclub, the only problem I see with you site is that you don't have enough, but growth takes time...also this registration thing pops up and that can be annoying...but other wise I say not a bad effort at all. Good luck!
Getting back on the subject which is sayshe.com, I think these companies are in such a rush to be "the first ---- " (fill in the blank) that they forget certain factors that keep a site active and keep people coming back for more. Until folks take their time in these investments, we are going to continue to come here to find out who has gone to the dot com graveyard. |
ALALN, There is one "urban" site that is done to my satisfaction: www.piratedjs.com. That's a tight site, design- and content-wise.
The guys who designed it are based in the Bay Area and when I contacted them in March, they said they were booked up until this Fall. |
I saw a copy of Homegirl at my homegirl's house the other night (I don't subscribe to the Vibe).
It really, really sucks. There's some horrid article about dildos and masturbation, and a layout of Eve where she is dressed like a mismatched whore (no offense Eve, you're too fresh to let some two-bit stylist dress you up like that, ma!)
I'm waiting for someone to make a Black version of Bitch Magazine. Honey is banal, Homegirl is trite, and Essence is more for granny than for me.
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Just cause you cant take a critique honest or not doenst mean it isnt valid
shut up and get a thicker skin
btw no there isnt a established formula for doing and website right yet its still a new medium but there are alot of things you can do wrong you might wanna learn from that before you start playing with flash |
you know i'm very dissapointed with the folks here for not recognizing the following. SayShe is owned by hookt. Sayshe is not in Flash, it's actually usuable, I was actually able to load the content. I guess they took off the music, cause I don't hear any. Who decided having music on a web page was "cool" anyway. I'm at work, I don't need my boss to hear that I'm not working. As a netwrok person -- looks like they're doing some funky routing though -- hope it doesn't bite them later on. And who's that SayShe chick on all the pages -- Lynne's daughter? Also the site is XML based, peeped that on the send link. Not bad,Malaney's doing something right. So all in all -- what's the problem here? |
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Ms Bee...yeah that sight is simple, but tight. Pirate DJ's are kinda nasty..I had a few tapes of them when I worked in the record biz yrs ago..
Just curious for the women here to whom sayshe.com is targeted to..whats' wrong with the site? |
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"...Maybe you guys are new to the web and don't understand that by spamming boards and chatrooms you can actually generate negative attention to your site and I'm sure you don't want that. "
really?
"1) Spamming will not get you hits...- "
really?
"-..Don't do it... "
Why not?..who made and enforced this rule?..seems like writng a negative story about the failure of a website is cool and generates hits..so whats the problem with sumone pluggin they shit on here with the hopes that people who actually surf the web (not designers and techheads and .com critics) looking for somthing of value, might check it out?
movin' on..
SayShe.com dosent look bad...and --.only 2 people up here in this thread hav actually posted a site they feel has good content and overall design....
shit, now if i can get me some passes for tonight.. |
wassup wit the fact that www.sayshe.com always stays in the URL window - no matter what you click on. hmmmm I smell a hack job here. Wouldn't like to be their tech folks. |
has anyone actually ordered from any of these urban sites. not for nothing but i don't trust my credit card with these cats. If western union can get hacked -- lawd knows what can happen with these mom and pop sites |
SayShe is better than Honey.
It's a decent urban/HIPHOP site.
I'm definitely in their FANCLUB. |
Why is everyone so quick to bitch?
Ya'll are VULTURES.
SayShe ain't bad for what it is.
Doesn't spin my cookie, but then I'm picky.
Seems like someone's hatin' |
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..sumtimes thas' all people have time to do, is hate. |
I just checked out shesay, and it aint bad, its definitly slightly above average average, but like someone else said its not my thing.
If you read the UE article, they are not really dissing it, theyr just pointing out a some of bad points.
But overall its a good site with potential. |
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Check out essence.com redesign |
did anyone catch "raquel cepeda has common sense"? that's funny like a motherfucker, 'cause everybody knows she's up common's doo-doo hole! (and fucked him, but that's another story. UE could do a whole story on the groupie hip-hop journo chicks who fucked common, and d'angelo. but then that's got nothing to do with the web; at least not until likepepper.com goes up!) |
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In all fairness, I can be an asshole
so with that in mind I decided to give
Sayshe.com an objective twice over (didn't
load the first time). I work for a global
interactive solution firm, not some fratboys with a Mac,
HTML books they bought at amazon.com and too much time on
their hands. Here's my opinion:
Lynne - from reading her bio appears to be
in the wrong space. Why is a former unsuccessful
HR rep spearheading a web property geared towards
women? What experience does she bring to this venture?
Besides working for Vibe, which I wouldn't but on my
resume she seems under qualified and clueless.
Maleney - XML coding is mediocre at best, but this is
what I've come to expect from Tech-9 Media alumnus. Have
any of you seen that dreadful socialstep.com or that site
they did for blackdiamonds-ent.com. Look, learn and then
reply - haters!
Raquel - Needs spellcheck. The site is riddled with
grammatical errors and plagued by unfocused stories
with no central theme. She needs to take a writing
class or they need to hire some real content writers.
Faith - You should be the President of the company.
Have you read your bio lately? It speaks volumes in
comparison to the mindless drivel you guys fabricated
for Lynne ("clueless"). You should immediately start
sending out the resumes because this will be a short
stint on a doomed venture. GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!
Where is the LEGAL PAGE? Don't insult your users by
adding icons and pages to your site without content.
That's bad business and shows poor media planning.
I don't trust sites that always tell me to "check back"
or whatever.
The images are blurry and the text runs. Have you guys
ever read the entire Adobe Photoshop book or did you just
focus on the parts of interest? Learn to scan and crop
images (hint - scan at a higher resolution) Duh! I have
a headache looking at that terrible color scheme too, what's
that all about? And those on every page are stupid. What's
the point? I guess you guys forewent Flash (hookt.com is one
of the worst Flash displays I've ever seen, they actually send
out e-mails at work for our designers, project managers,
and programmers to see what sites shouldn't be - they listed
this site about 6 times in 2 months) for straight HTML. Good
choice. If you can't apply the technology properly, leave it
alone, sometimes less gets you more (users).
NOW FOR THE HATING:
Alot you post messages repeatedly with no focus or purpose. Why?
Possibly because the PC on your desk at work is the only PC you
have access to and your jobs allow this abuse. Stop! This is
suppose to be a discussion space for urban content, not a board
to post your URL's or complain about the latest LL album. Don't
buy the album, get a marketing strategy to draw site traffic, but
don't waste our time with mindless postings.
Is this site fueled by Vanguarde Media? I suspect so. Do I really
care? Not really. Why? Vanguarde Media is not a real firm with a
solid business plan, they pander to our tastes with buzz words like
urban. Yet, their CEO is as far removed from the urban arena as the
Source's Dave Mays. Most of you posters need to take English 101.
WHUT! This it...It ain't no more
B.I.G. Forever (couldn't resist - sorry!)
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I'm hitting the par-tay tonight, no hatin' on Homegirl until I peep the rag. Sayshe is aight, but who is their target demo? None of the ladies in my office were feelin' it... |
This board is for the people to discuss. Everything will lead to a discussion that hopefully is productive. Since none of can figure out what's up with this internet shit... we might as well say whatever... who knows maybe one day there will be an urban website that can truly knock out the competition.
But until then logon to WWW.HIPHOPFANCLUB.COM. |
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This is the only hip hop site I'm checking for
www.discoverhiphop.com |
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YA'LL GOTTA READ THIS
Ay yo....
There's been a whole lotta talk about what exactly happened at The
Source Hip-Hop Music Awards Show last month. But now you're gonna have
the chance to see it for yourself...
Check out the clip we've attached to this e-mail for just a taste of
what's available at www.thesource.com, including the rest of the brawl,
an open letter from E-40, and numeorus aftermath interviews with
celebrities including Raekwon, Ghostface, Dru Down, Lord Finesse, the
Pasadena police and more. Also, check out www.thesourceawards.com for
even more coverage.
It's not for the weak. Deep breath before ya peek. And when you're ready
for more, check out the music section of www.thesource.com
<http://www.thesource.com/music> (What To Watch, Items 1 and 2).
It may not be pretty, but it's real.
The Editors
Shameless in the art of self promotion. God bless America.
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"wassup wit the fact that www.sayshe.com always stays in the URL window - no matter what you click on. hmmmm I smell a hack job here. Wouldn't like to be their tech folks."
it's called an invisible frame. it's to hide the fact that some of their services (e.g. the board) are supplied by 3rd party companies. |
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sites that should be on your hit list-
these are sites where you may learn something
sometimes the interfaces are experimental
sometimes they offer good information
everyone in the online game has to visit at least 10 new sites a day
you have to look outside your genre and target demographic
this is so that you [learn]
learn what to do/not to do
learn what you like/don't like
learn the meaning of slow vs fast loading
best of flash
http://flashforward2000.com/fff_winners.html
http://www.praystation.com/
http://www.dreamless.org/
http://www.heavy.com
html/dhtml clues for the clueless & good layouts
http://www.glassdog.com/
http://spark-online.com/
http://sonique.lycos.com/
inspirational links
http://www.pixeljunkie.com/
http://threeoh.com/ |
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.....learn the meaning of catering to the needs af the average web user, surfer, and online shopper.
Thats more essential than anything. |
wtf we gotta go back to web design class as evident its about more then interface design and usebility that creates a great site its also content & strat
who does that well? |
Shaan James, listen buddy. I put whatever the fuck I want to on this site. If I wanna mindlessly put album reviews on this site, than I will fucking mindlessly put album reviews on this site punk. Speak my name again son and if I wanna mindlessly put my foot in your pillow biting ass, than I will gladly put my foot in your pillow biting ass. This is, as you put it, a site for issues regarding urban content. Nigga, if this ain't urban content, than what the fuck is. If you're offended as to what I or our other UE comrades write, then take your lil butt munching ass over to "cockcmokers.com". I'm sure you'll thouroughly enjoy their colorful and "fruitful" content. Now, to all my UE comrades, in addition to discussing the issues that are posted, I will be submitting the "Official Dick Strong Album Smackdown" weekly, so as to either suggest whats hot out there or to stay the FUCK away from the bullshit that these pimping ass labels are slanging out there like ear crack. For those who missed my review on LL's whack "G.O.A.T." lp, stay away, that shit smells worse that that white bum who hangs out at the D Train station on 57th Street. I await the next LP. |
I'm getting seasick from reading the fucking site. Yeesh.
Can they make the page stop moving? Please, before I puke up my dinner. God.
I don't have all day to provide a seminar on web design for content, but here's a hint, you cannot run a two different articles in the same typeface next to each other, regardless of the color of the background.
And who the hell are Joi and Gipp and why do I care what they wear?
The design could be nice if the coding didn't suck. |
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".. you cannot run a two different articles
in the same typeface next to each other, regardless of the color of the background. .."
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Who says you cant?...
If I may quote a good friend of mine:
"Our artists are challenged to politically buck the system through
design. Think of it as: a digital revolution."
http://www.ablemindz.com/refuze/
fuck rules...make them, then break them.
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joi and gipp are married . . gipp is from outkast . .
and to add to ill sites and some REAL Flash work:
the original:
www.flashchallenge.com
www.k10k.com
any of the sites listed on flashchallenge will blow the fucking doors off any site ever listed or posted on UE . . .
just a bit of info for the REAL designers who read this board |
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Gipp is from Goodie Mob...
Joi had about 2 CD/LP's out that went no-where.. |
crispus attucks:
did we already have this discussion? that crispus was a man who lived over two centuries ago? I bet he/she is laughing his/her ass off that people are actually addressing him as mr. attucks . . . or did his/her parents actually name him/her after the first black man to take a bullet in "america."
ha ha ha ha hah
btw . . . hiphopfanclub should stay away from built in filter effects in photoshop . . . suckers |
oops, mah bad . . . mix up those ATL cats . . . |
joi + gipp = dre + erykah |
dick strong:
your album review = hilarious. what I find even funnier is that you actually bought the shit . . I would never in a million years go near that old recycled shit . . after the fluff article in the latest source, a big haw haw haw to ll . . but keep up the record reviews, the shits are funny . . .
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big j....gotchu again...heh heh..
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".. you cannot run a two different articles
in the same typeface next to each other, regardless of the color of the background. .."
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Who says you cant?...
Uh, every basic design class in the world.:-) You can't read the copy because you're eyes won't follow it. It's a basic, basic rule of design.
If you want to have a sidebar, you need to box it, use a different typeface or something you can
use to tell the difference between the two.
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Modoe, I understand that you are tyring to promote your site, and whatever, but damn, and I am saying this seriously, WHO THE FUCK CARES?
Post it once, not fifty seven times in a thread. That's what makes it go from, "That brother is just trying to do his thing" to "What is he trying to be an ass about it?" I understand your plight and everything but look into buying an ad on this site. It's getting to the point where your just posting your URL instead of making comments, In other words, the shit isnt even relevant anymore. Getting hits is one thing, getting them to stay is another, chill Brother.
Kyle, spamming is NOT cool, NOT. If he's trying to do his thing, okay, but disrupting the flow is another, I respect the hustle, but I gotta disrespect the disruption of the flow to serve one's own purpose.
On SayShe, I think I am in his target but ummm the need to Try that shit again, overall the site seems a little off target.
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the sites I check on the regular (somebody asked):
daveyd.com
rapstation.com
allhiphop.com
dirtyhog.com
hiphopdx.com
manhunt.com
the411online.com
hiphopfans.com
redbone2000.com
urbanexpose.com
AND
360hiphop.com (pre-launch...when it was just a flash intro with LL's "Ill Bomb" playing. my one guilty pleasure.)
most of these are fairly simple sites that i can count on for updated content. (i see flash...i run...i visited 360 once after launch) it doesn't have to be awardwinning or even original or unique. i just like to get as many perspectives as i can on the music i enjoy and its current events and albums. NBC correspondent John Hockenberry recently said on ZDNet that the web is a medium for "junkies." I guess I'm a hip-hop junkie an internet junkie or both (or just a fan of the underdog). i really don't view these sites as competitors.
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by the way, why doesn't UE get off these same old sites and expose some of the smaller ones...do they have to be blowing millions to be worth featuring? then maybe just do one article on all the little ones doing their thing...even HIPHOPFANCL -- I couldn't do it. It could be a good story on one of those slow days...instead of taking a week off at a time. just a thought. |
Two more comments:
sayshe.com -- started to work, then got internal server error.
Mr. Modoe's site -- for my slow connection, it tried my patience to wait for the pictures to load. and I, too, disliked the multiple windows opening. however, i did like the way the pictures looked once they loaded. it seemed like you have some design experience. now if you could translate that to the web without uploading the entire picture, i might make it a regular stop. that's my honest opinion...not trying to hate in any way. do your thing any way you want. it is, after all, your thing. |
I forgot two other i check:
sohh.com
y2hiphop.com |
Thanks.
That's all I wanted. Your opinions. I'll be back with the updated version in a few weeks but in the mean time...
keep checkin' for all the treats i got!
Thanks again.
Sincerely Yours,
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and it don't stop...
STARMEDIA BIDS ADIOS TO 125 STAFFERS
Anxious to make a profit, Spanish- and Portuguese-language Web portal
StarMedia Network has laid off 15 percent of its staff, the Industry
Standard reports. The job cuts, which eliminate about 125 positions
across various business units, are part of a ''company-wide
restructuring'' that should put StarMedia on track to start making
money by the fourth quarter of next year. An anonymous StarMedia
official tells Inside that the move is expected to result in savings
of $15 million to $20 million in 2001.
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Everyone:
OK, This is driving me crazy, where is the article on the two pronged dildo? I've looked all over that site and I dont see it. I thought it was up there yesterday but its not there anymore. Am I going insane or is that article no longer on the site? And if its no longer there where did it go... Why would they take down that one particular story... Hmmmmm
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Steve:
I hear you about the basics and fundementals of design....but again, peep the many print media and even experimental websites that break the boundaries of traditional design...that is the only way new standards are implemented and created...by pushing boundaries....taking things further.
Now if there were complaints from the average SayShe.com surfer about type placement, font size and so forth, then I could understand...but there is a good chance, they could care less. ..and will continue to visit the site if:
A)It appeals to them
B)It has somthing they dig.
We as designers, and those into the technical aspects of the web, often tend to forget about the average web surfer...that is what counts. I dont design for the admiration of my peers first, but to get my message across to my audience. We tend to be overly critical of the industry were in because we often feel it could be done "better".
I think about a sound /studio engineer I used to use, when making mixtapes . This cat was so into his work and sound quality, a 90 minute cassette would take 1 week, because he felt the sound had to be perfect. I used to borrow a few peoples favorite mixed tapes and radio tapes they made, and the sound quality was horrible to me, and any soundman...but guess what-that wasnt their concern..as long as they heard their favorite joints, they were happy.
If the SayShe is promoted right, marketed right, and maintained..it will be sucsess...thats the bottom line...not fonts or clashing colors.
Shann James:
"Lynne - from reading her bio appears to be
in the wrong space. Why is a former unsuccessful
HR rep spearheading a web property geared towards
women? What experience does she bring to this venture?
Besides working for Vibe, which I wouldn't but on my
resume she seems under qualified and clueless. "
Everybody started somwhere...what kind of qualifications are needed to hold this position in your opinion? Ma' obvioulsy had vision and made that site and a million dollars happen..
...who else qualified that you know; former HR rep , McDonalds burger-maker or female CEO with a biz degree stepped up qand took on that challange? If you can do the job, you can do the job..
denna:
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since you asked for ladies that post i put my two cents in:
I actually frequent the job oriented websites the most. Whether I have a job or not, i still like to look to see if I am missing out on something good. I also like college basketball so I will check out the school's homepage to see who are the new recruits. For music I like okayplayer.com cuz the staff is sarcastic and funny. |
I am sure there is an audience for sayshe.com. Wether they reach that audience is another matter. I'm partial to swoon.com myself. I like informational sites and community sites.
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..what appeals to you most on those sites you frequent:
the colors
the html coding
lack of experience of persons running the site
content
design
navigation
What do your think about Sayshe?...not your style?..
I just notice how people are rippin the place, and it just launched.
A lot of people knockin it, wouldnt have visited the site anyway..so how can they possible give constructive critisism? |
TO SHAAN JAMES
STREET TEAMSTA
I TAKE GREAT OFFENSE AT YOUR DISS OF MY ACID TRUTH HOT GREASE THROWING REALITY RAINDROPS ON N***AS HEADS RUNNING BUDDY DICK STRONG.
SO LISTEN POTNA, IF YOU WANNA BE DOWN LIKE HOFFA OR MOE GREEN OR EAT STARKIST TUNA LIKE LUCIA BRAZA
KEEP POSTING YOUR MULE LIKE BRAYS
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yeah there is actually alot of hating without valid critiques going
Say shes design is really good actually at some points but its a little busy and has a few pronounced inconsistancies where i can see they switched designers or had other designers plug in stuff without paying attention to they style of the site but for the most part I think they could do a little information architechture work with how they present content
but then again maybe the audience wont care
Ohsokool stop trying to get free research demographics cost baby
modoe stop spaming your site is wack you need to take notes son
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What appeals to me about websites is speed. If it takes a long time for the page to download, I won't visit. Sayshe looks okay to me, I plan to read the content after this post. What i like about the websites I talked about is information. If the website is straight black and white(Background color), i don't care. As long as the information downloads fast, its cool to me. Some people like to rip shit cuz having computer software and technical skills gives them an ego out of this world. there are only a select few that know how to use these programs and they feel that they can give expert criticism of shit. Websites will become perfect some day, but for now we have got to manage with what we got. |
Hmm...finally got the chance to check out Sayshe after numerous unsuccessful tries at accessing the dang thing. Lemme tell y'all I think the "internal server" message page was more exciting. Incidentally, I remember miss missy McDaniels from my time at Time Inc. and like that man Roy (can't remember his last name right now but I think he's at Vanguarde) I wasn't too fond of them. Perhaps I was just to urban for them. I do believe that was the problem. Interesting how they've both entered the "urban" arena. Hmmm....But back to the site--it's just an absolute bore. Ho hum. Humdrum. Snoozer. The one thing I've hated about the internet is how many sites are uploaded magazine pages. AND I CAN'T STAND IT! Eww. Eeek. Stink! I prefer more interactive pages. I know some of you folks ain't too fond of flash, but me likes. I like for my screen to come to life. Keeps this gal interested. In fact, one of the sites I check regularly is www.macromedia.com. I absolutely love checking out the gallery of the "sites of the day." Super duper cool. The thangs that you can do! But sayshe gets the gas face from me. I am the demographic and well I'd rather check ebay than visit that site again. GUFFAW! |
To Ohsokool:
The thing about this and other site of its kind is that they are only community site. I would never go to sayshe for anything but community. If I want financial info I go to thestreet.com, if I want health info I see my doctor or visit one of the many health specific sites only, if I need book recomendations then I can watch Oprah and for Beauty info there is B. Smiths. The only thing this site has to offer me is a communoity of like minded women to share experiences with. However since Blackplanet has already done a pretty good job of it, I dont really she why I owuld frequent sayshe.The content was weak and they took down the dildo story, which was the most interesting story on the site, after the UE article blasting them came out. So I'll wait for someone to forward me interesting stuff from that site or for the word to get around that its worth visiting but other I wont be say much on sayshe.
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almost every thread here in UE from Day 1 is filled with "free" research information...im not trying anything, its already here.
Im simply tryin to spark convo amongst heads here about whats really important in a website...there's a difference my friend.
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I hear you..Shesay is not your "cup of tea" and thats peace
There might be a lot of women out there who dont realy feel what BlackPlanet has to offer ( too broad, too much drama, or whatever but its running strong so sombody is doing somthing right). ..enter Shesay. Seems like many of these sites longevity depends on personal tastes, and the abilty to attract and hold an audience..like a good movie or TV show.
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Everyone has their own perspective, vision and mental which is why Sayshe has come into existance.
Moving to another form of media for a quick sec;
Honey & Homegirl were created because Essecence couldnt possibly cater to the entire female population.
You find a place where you fit in, and you either dig it, or you dont.
About a million more sites are going to pop up over the years, and .if they serve a purpose?.. then they will last..if not (WTF) we continue to get "free" information on what not to do. |
To Art for Short and Afro Spice:
I believe this is the article that you were looking for. I found it clicking on the HomeGirl Banner.
http://216.86.45.37/xp/Sayshe/urbanluxe/homegirl/article5.xml |
Damn, I was standing right behind the "UE Staff" at the party.
Best urban site - http://www.mchawking.com/ |
NEWS FLASH!!!!!
Sources Say Cash-Starved Pseudo About to Go Under
by Stacy Cowley
Sources close to struggling webcaster Pseudo report that CEO David
Bohrman is actively shopping the company to other firms in the
streaming media space--and that if he can't find a buyer within the
next week or so, the cash-starved company will close its doors.
One executive at a company approached by Bohrman says Pseudo has less
than three weeks of cash left. Other sources in the streaming media
space say Bohrman's proposals aren't meeting with much enthusiasm,
and that no likely candidates have emerged to buy the site. One
source said Pseudo's corporate structure is a major impediment to a
buyout: any acquisition would require a substantial up-front cash
investment to pay off investors and executives--and right now, few
companies are interested in buying into the troubled webcasting
space.
Pseudo has always had trouble with its timing. The six-year-old
venture, created by Jupiter Communications founder-turned-flamboyant
artisté Josh Harris, was expected to file for an IPO last fall--a
plan derailed by CEO Larry Lux's departure in November. Former CNNfn
exec Bohrman took on the chief executive post in January, and raised
$14 million in May to keep the company going. Two months ago, Bohrman
cut nearly 60 staffers--over a quarter of Pseudo's workforce-- and
shuffled another 30 into new positions. He also overhauled the site's
format completely in what many saw as a last-ditch effort to reinvent
and save the site.
The consumer-focused streaming media space is also out of favor with
investors--sources say key Pseudo investor LVMH (also a backer of the
infamous Boo.com) is uninterested in funding another cash infusion
for Pseudo.
Officials at LVMH could not be reached for comment. Several other
Pseudo investors, including longtime backer Intel Capital, did not
return calls. Jeff Springer, a principal at venture capital firm
Prospect Street Ventures, which contributed to Pseuso's most recent
financing round, said his firm has not been approached by Pseudo
about additional funding. If they were, would they be willing to put
up further cash to bail out the company?
"That's one of those questions you never want to answer until you
have to," he replied. "We continue to support the company, and to
have full faith in its management."
He noted that the webcasting/broadband entertainment space "holds
enormous potential, but it's taken a lot longer to realize than many
people expected. ... It's going to continue to be a very
cash-intensive business. Whoever is out there trying to compete will
have to spend a lot of money."
At the moment, it's a space with few healthy competitors. Well-funded
DEN collapsed spectacularly, Pop.com died before even launching, and
Alley-based On2.com has laid off staff and lost several top
executives. Shockwave and Scour also thinned their herds last week.
The strongest ventures right now are those focusing on animation and
shorts, rather than live webcasting: AtomFilms, Honkworm, Stan Lee
Media, Mondo Media are all holding steady, with CameraPlanet.com,
SpinTheBottle.com, Alltrue.com, and a host of other content ventures
waiting in the wings.
Pseudo is one of the original pioneers of webcasting, but it still
hasn't attracted the critical mass of viewers needed to woo
advertisers. Media Metrix shows no reportable traffic for Pseudo,
meaning it's drawing less than 200,000 unique users per month. The
site rarely has more than a few dozen users logged in.
Pseudo executives are tight-lipped about the company's troubles, and
aren't responding to reports of its imminent demise. "We don't
comment on rumors and speculation," said spokesperson Jeanne Meyer.
Asked if the company is searching for a buyer, she said it's
"exploring a lot of different financing options." CEO David Bohrman
and President Tony Asnes did not return calls seeking comment.
COULD UBO BE NEXT????? STAY TUNED
GET YER GRAVY WHILE IT'S GOOD
DON'T PLAYAHATE! PARTICIPATE
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Sayshe loads like a tortoise at T1...pity the poor person looking at shoveling that down a 56K pipe.
And not that Jakob Nielsen's my personal avatar or anything...but DAMN those are some busy-ass pages.
Roger all those who said or implied:
1. needs info architecture work
2. needs consistent adherence to style guidelines
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I have an antiquated 56k connection at my crib, and the pages to that site takes about 15-25 seconds to load....goddamn thats a loooong assed time... ...56k is pretty much the norm at this point in the average web-surfers home computer.
Ask the averge home computer user that surfs for fun, shopping and leisure, and most probably cant get into detail about DSL/Cable or High Speed Connections
Adam;
IF the site kicks off and is warmly recived by its target audience, what does style guidelines have to do with anything if they think the site is hot?
Am i missing somthing or is it you guys?...if its me, im all ears...
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WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH YOUSE PEOPLE?!
GOOD PEOPLE, TALENTED PEOPLE ARE LOSING JOBS, AND YOU ARE HERE DEGRADING MINORITY RUN BUSINESSES.
WHAT MAKES YOUR COMPANY BETTER THAN ONE LEVEL, 360, SAYSHE, UBO, HOOKT, ETC?
I DESPERATLY WANT THESE COMPANIES TO SUCCEED.
IF THEY SUCCEED, IT BRINGS VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND THUS CREATES MORE JOBS, SPARKS CREATIVITY AMONG EMPLOYEES, CREATIVITY MEAN INNOVATION.
WHY NOT OFFER ADVICE? POST JOBS? GIVE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISM NOT DESTRUCTIVE GOSSIP.
THAT IS HOW IT'S DONE IN THE VALLEY. IT ACTS AS AN EXTENSIVE NETWORK OF PEOPLE AND CONNECTS.
OH I HAPPEN TO FEEL HIPHOPFANCLUB, KEEP ON BROTHER. I HEAR THAT YOU DO IT WITH NO MONEY AT ALL.
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News from the Latina side of the "urban women's" game...
Launched February 8th of this year, HolaMujer.com is the first bilingual and pan-regional online network for English -- and Spanish -- speaking Latino women. Co-founded by former attorneys Jessica Camuffo and Anne-Marie Kim, HolaMujer "seeks to fill the void in the Internet marketplace," says 30-year-old Camuffo. "I am Latino, of Peruvian heritage, and I was searching the Web for a place for me and I couldn't find anything." The network, according to its press release, "provides women with a highly interactive community experience, information on a variety of topics ranging from health and beauty to careers and education, and a comprehensive e-commerce platform."
The HolaMujer site is visually appealing and the format is basic, so you don't have to worry about Flash technology wasting your time. Other featured channels include the Book Club, Bridal, Travel and a tech section titled, "Get Wired." And, of course, you can shop on the network. They have a virtual drugstore, nursery items, books and music among other things.
"No one is speaking to Latina women effectively, despite the fact that the growth rate in Internet usage by women in the U.S. and Latin America is outpacing that of men. Women are also driving the growth of e-commerce in the U.S. and Latin America," says Camuffo. "With women controlling over 80 percent of all household purchases, we will capitalize on the enormous potential in targeting the female consumer in their preferred language," states Anne-Marie Kim in their press release.
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ALALN: I don't have an issue with ebonics, but I do object to your suspect use of the apostrophe.
"user's" does not need one
"website's" does not need one
"your not interested" needs a different "you're," which you'll notice utilizes an apostrophe.
All these mistakes indicate a dependence on spellcheck, which will save your ignorant ass from posting misspellings, but reveal your tenuous grasp of written English.
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yo Vlad, good lookin out potna. See you in brooklon soon for a smoke fest. Did you hear that Kwaheim from Lefferts got shot at the Franklin avenue spot? Stoopid nigga tried to rob the toll booth with a box cutter and a small can of kerosene. Some niggas nevah learn. He's recouperating at downstate, something about his left testicle bein shot off. Then off to Oz he goes. I'll never forgive dat suckah for robbin be of my honda scooter back in "82. |
Sayshe.com is another bullshit site that won't be around in a year.
Vlad the impaler and dick strong are one nut dee tee and the faggot from urban music matrix. two homoes who suck each other off. |
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hey hater-aid
a dissertation on why we dis
everyone wants urban sites to survive, thrive & succeed
we all want to uplift the 'race'
people of color know the pressure of being the sole representative of a culture
that's why we all check hard when people do not come 'correct'
SayShe has a tremendous opportunity to make their site better
For SayShe - no matter how competent - or incompetent their staff or founders
Right Here is an opportunity to hear it straight from the community on day one of going live
Clients pay me hard cash for the straight deal and I'm giving it up for free
The endless music was on this morning at 5:15 am off by 10:00 am
That's because the response was - how do I turn that $#!( off?
The dildo story came down because it was dissed as well
- if you're courting the kiddies does that story make sense on your site?
The latest casualties - 360, Pseudo and Atomic are a mix of sound ideas, poor execution, bad advice,
bad management, lack of financial controls, basic business acumen and accounting.
Pseudo's soho (or is it NoLita now?) rent would choke a horse. I was up in their spot two years ago.
The contact smoke from blunts puffed in the waiting area would make dick & vlad happy children.
didn't yo mamma tell you that you had to be twice as good?
didn't she slap yo @$$ if you came up lame?
We dis for the same reasons that people of color don't know about time outs - you just get spanked
Cut once, cut strong, cut deep!
DEN went down for the same reasons. Management/Founders wanted to floss and make their companies a playground for unprofessional bull$#!( - it wasn't long before talented people lost their jobs. |
Satan, not to be conspiritorial, but you may be right about Dee Tee. Not that he has one nut - PLEASE don't get it twisted I know not a damn thing about that - but that he is here.
TechTruth, rock on! That was on point... Too bad more of these urban sites (and print mags) don't have writing as good as your post. Hmmmmm... they should hire you.
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thanks MJ but no thanx!
100 lines of code pays more than 1000 words @ Vibe/Source/Blaze/Voice/Times
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From the "where are they now" files?
Indie Planet: Taking a page from the punk rock playbook
"Our motto is 'New media, new culture, new world,'" says Adam Kidron, the CEO of Urban Box Office. And while Kidron's English accent adds a note of gravity to the readily quotable phrase, it's hard not to be cynical: After all, dozens of CEOs before him have used flashy slogans to sell the same old swill in bright new bottles. But take a second look, and you'll see there might actually be something behind Kidron's boast. Just like in the '70s, when he cut his teeth in the music biz while working with such punk legends as the Slits, Pere Ubu, and the Sex Pistols -- he actually sang on their timeless classic "Frigging in The Rigging") -- Kidron is out to change the prevailing paradigm once again.
Many Web sites are trying to find ways to translate old art -- classic rock, back catalogs of current artists, and so on -- into the new online medium. Kidron feels that this approach is misguided. "New media with old culture does not work," he says. "You have to create stuff from scratch -- repurposing won't fly. If you want people to appreciate what you are doing you have to create exclusive content which is wholly on your network. In order to do that, you have to find new content sources because you can't possibly go to the guys who are making Hollywood films and ask them to make a video for $10,000."
Confident that cheap and exciting content will be his for the asking, Kidron is putting his money where his hope is with the February 29 launch of IndiePlanet, a multi-channel site that promises to realize UBO's vision of bringing what Kidron labels "The urban mindset" online. A vastly ambitious undertaking, IndiePlanet's eighteen channels run the gamut from Music and Motion (dance, martial arts, etc.) to Food and Humor.
While Kidron stands to gain if there is, in fact, life on IndiePlanet, the site is the brainchild of UBO's Executive Vice President and Technical Strategist Arzie Hardin. A musician turned investment banker, Hardin has combined the insights of both professions, using his financial savvy to create new ways to distribute the work of independent artists. Particularly attracted to indie musicians and their fans, Hardin concedes that hip-hop, electronica, and alternative rock are key components of his new site's demographic. But he also realizes that riding musical trends is not enough to attract customers in today's intensely competitive online marketplace. "The way we will benefit in the end," he explains, "is that we offer a bunch of different levels with different services to our subscribers, For example, our free home page comes standard with three megs of space, which is enough for a band to put up one or two MP3s and a few pictures. But if you wanted to have your whole album on MP3 you would obviously need 20 megs of space or more, and at that point we would offer an upgrade for a minimal charge."
While the music channel works in a similar manner to existing sites like MP3.com, Hardin says that integrating IndiePlanet's musicians into the rest of the site is a vital part of the overall plan. Music provided by "the IndiePlanet community" will be used on the site's animations and ads; in fact, it will be the bedrock of its Web broadcasting channel. "The whole play is for us to try and use the resources that we have to attain critical mass in this space," says Hardin.
Kidron echoes this assessment: "Where our site differentiates itself from a mp3.com or any of those digital dumping grounds for culture is that it is highly editorialized. There are editors and producers for each channel whose job it is to scour, not just the content that they have created, but the content which the community has created and look for the nuggets -- the stuff that is getting click activity. When we find those highlights, we will feature them on the home page of the channel, then feature them on the home page of IndiePlanet. If it really takes off, [we'll] feature it on the home page of Urban Box Office. We are trying to creating a micro version of the macro world."
If IndiePlanet's business model is creative, so is its definition of its demographic -- "the urban mind set." Long considered a code word for in the music biz for "black," "urban" now has a broader appeal thanks to the strong interest in hip-hop on the part of white suburbanites. That said, however, IndiePlanet recognizes that it has a special role to play in empowering inner city artists; in recognition of that fact, they are moving their headquarters into Harlem this coming October. As Kidron points out, the move may have a certain public-relations appeal, but it makes good business sense as well. "The economic returns are huge," he says. "The community in Harlem has a history of producing compelling entertainment but hasn't had the economic and educational infrastructure to really participate in the global economy. We provide that access, and in providing it we are going to have access to some of the best young talent in the world." Does Kidron feel that he has travelled great distance in his own career? "Well," he says, "you know what connects the experience of punk and hip-hop? It's the fact that you could make an album for under $10,000. It's a good deal all around."
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Adam kidron never worked for the sex pistols. Hes lying. indieplanet was a Failure. Arzie Hardin played himself and now he sits in an office facing desks that used to be filled with his workers. everything UbO does is a failurre. they hire the hasbeens of the world who need to all be on the nO buZz lists. David Watkins and his failed a-list. scOtt poulson brYant who hasnt written for maja magazines in years. dEe "one Nut' Tee the cancer patient who used to never turn stories in on time for us at Stress. Seddu who helped Boo.com spend millions and go out of business. jAmes AndreWs who bootlegged nas album and got fired from every job he was ever at. racist Corey Podosky who lies and says he 'made' sonicnet what it is. Sheryl hUggins who tried to put out some garbage called Shade and saw that go out of business. John pasmore who tried to get over on russell by selling oneworld to George jAckson. Womanhood with that has been slut Dream hAmpton. these are the worst people in the industry. all of them have made careers out of failing and going from startup to startup. Ubo hires has beens who work for cheap and colege interns who think being there is a step up in the industry. this company will be out of business in a year or less. |
Yo! It's like this....
All of y'all up in here talk a lot of shit. How many of you work for successful web comanies? How many of you have built successful web companies?
For all the criticism you would think that all of you haters would form a company and finally do it right. And think, if you did form a company then you would spend less time hating everyone that's getting paid of the net right now.
What you guys don't understand is that the net is still brand spankin' new. No has mastered it - just about everyone has failed at it. But those who go out on the limb to try to make something happen are the realest out there. They have heart. They know that they may fail. The odds are against everyone in this game right now.
So all of you bitch ass fake experts with your half ass advice and your crab in a basket attitudes... SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET IN THE GAME.
You never know. The one you hate the most is the one you'll end up working for one day.
I have to give a shout out to all of the indi-urban sites out there trying to do their thing. Keep on keepin' on! |
techtruth,
Kudos for stating your opinion so eloquently. Others that post should follow suit. You don't have to name call and act like your mama didn't give proper home training to get your point across. We all can benefit from criticism, the question is what's constructive criticism and what's just folks with nothing to do with themselves but hate? Homophobic comments and racial slurs are elementary, base, and demonstrative of attitudes that don't uplift the blackness, but shut it down. We don't have to agree...but critique the site, not someone's lifestyle. What does Dream Hampton's bedroom got to do with anything?
On another note...
In reference to the Digital Divide, those who are working at internet companies need to look around and check the seats next to you for other little brown dots...how many of us do you see? When I talk about closing the digital divide, I'm talking about making sure that kids have access to computers and the training they need to compete in today's job market. Nobody's arguing the fact that black people can buy computers. I want to see fourth graders learning basic web design and building programs. I want to look up when I'm getting gray and see nothing but brown faces when it comes to running companies in the tech sector. Fuck the token dot and the talented tenth.
If people don't come correctly with their sites, what suggestions can you offer that might be useful in the long run? As long as there's only a spattering of these kinds of sites and they're falling out by the second, it'll be easier for the only "black" site to be taken out/sold out/bought out when the time comes. Come on, learn to build a net that works...don't forget the rules originally didn't apply to us |
Positive steps PLEASE!!!!
For months I have been reading this board and trying to post positive information. I truly do want the "urban dot coms" to succeed. If they don't non persons of color dot coms will be the norm i.e. www.urbangoods.com With all the talent and industry insiders that are on this board we should start to take some positive steps. Too much negativity!
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According to Inside Salon and Impact247, UBO is in preliminary talks to purchase Vibe and Spin. The price tag: a number north of $100 million, a hefty sum, but a far cry from the $200 million selling price that the media properties had last year.
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I just read this in the EUR Report. Maybe UE can do a story on this or at least we should speak on this. How does a Black owned radio station let the Wake Up Show go while keeping Snoop on air. Whats up with Radio One? Are they for the people or just about the green?
Now here'a letter lamenting the
demise, on KKBT-LA, of "The Wake Up" hip-hop show ...
*Charlita Fain, Chicago, IL:
"You know what's even sadder about this scenario, outside the fact
that a show that preserved pure hip-hop is being canceled? Its the fact
that it is at the hands of an African American owned company. One
would think that WE of all people would understand the preservation
of our culture, Hip-Hop and all. We can't blame this on no one but
ourselves.
They will be the very same people to hold a conference about
Violence in Hip-Hop while at the same time promoting and playing
all that's shallow in Hip-Hop.
By the way, you mentioned something about Sway and Tech
wanting the ladies to write in, but did not provide any info as to where.
So here it is, straight from Davey D's newsletter.
Drop a letter of concern to The Beat's programming department
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Is this or is this not the dildo story........
Toy Story
Vibrators used to be a dirty little secret,but now they're the talk of the town
There was a time when I'd get together with my girlfriends and we'd share a meal and chat about sex you know, who was getting it from whom, what he was like, how he measured up, the regular stuff. Now I've noticed the conversation has shifted. There's still plenty of sex talk, but these days girls spend an awful lot of time praising the technique of their new bedfellow, the vibrator.
I first noticed the desire to speak about the pleasure that dares not speak its name last summer. My friends and I were having dinner, and the conversation turned to the always-entertaining topic of "How our parents psychologically damaged us for life." Tatyana*, sitting in the corner smoking a cigarette and sipping wine, piped in with this little gem: "When I was 6, I had this four-poster canopy bed, and I discovered that when I rubbed against it, it felt really good. So each night, before I went to sleep, I would wrap my legs around the post and grind away." Apparently, Tatyana got a little too enthusiastic one night and woke her mother, who ordered her daughter to stop immediately because she was "damaging the furniture." The next day, Tatyana came home to find her parents had dismantled her beloved bed. "I was devastated," she said with an exhale of smoke.
There was a collective gasp, a spasm of laughter, and then the floodgates opened. Everyone was dying to share war stories about the grown-up version of the erotic bedpost our vibrators. We talked for hours about the pros and cons of inside versus outside, big and purse-size, electric or battery-operated. How much to spend, which attachments to use, and can you really get addicted? And why get a dildo shaped like a huge penis when you already have a man; why not go for the dual-pronged Twig? So many choices, so much fun to have.
A month later, during dinner with a different group of women, the topic came up again. Coco described in detail the slow pulling-and-pushing routine she'd devised to maximize the pulse of her Flex-O-Pleaser. "We have," she said with an exaggerated pause, "a relationship."
According to my sources, it isn't just my freaky friends who engage in such discussions. These conversations are happening in taxis, dorm rooms, everywhere. What is this need to share, especially about something that for so long was a dirty little secret? Owning a vibrator, after all, was considered so humiliating that for years they were advertised as back massagers. Now there's a whole market devoted to women's personal pleasure videos, erotica, vibrators, straps-ons but I digress. Yet there's still plenty of embarrassment about making yourself feel good, especially among black women, says Dr. Brenda Wade, author of What Mama Couldn't Tell Us About Love: Healing the Emotional Legacy of Slavery, Celebrating Our Light. "Sisters experience a lot of shame around self-pleasuring," she says, because we've been told since slavery that our bodies were meant for gratifying others.
That's a heavy burden to bear. But maybe talking about it is the answer. Nothing strips away shame like a good laugh. And there isn't anything we should feel less embarrassed about than chartering our own trip to the moon. Sharing isn't always easy, but it's worth a try. Last week over lunch, a usually shy Shonda confessed that her new electric pal was just a little too speedy with the results. Everyone roared, and Shonda, looking relieved, laughed right along with us.
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That story is very,very badly written.
I'm all for the open dialogue about vibrators.(there's an article in this month's Marie Claire about buying one.) If you're going to write the story...do some research, ask a few people or draw from your own experiences. This article wasn't well written or thought out at all. |
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UBO MAY BUY VIBEUrban portal eyes Vibe magazine.
*In a move that is sure to raise a few eyebrows, Urban Box Office
is in early talks to buy Vibe magazine. According to Impact 24/7, the
deal makes sense because Vibe needs growth and UBO needs stability. |
didnt UBO buy One World or did that fall through? |
Dearest Satan and Miranda Jane:
WHO THE FUCK IS ONE NUT TEE DEE AND THAT FAGGOT FROM URBAN MUSIC MATRIX. Lissen ya'll, I take pride in my character and in my postings on UE and I am truly insulted that my alias would be confused with some cocksmoker named One Nut Tee Dee. In addition, I LOVE PUSSY MORE THAN I LOVE COOKED FOOD. Nappy pussy, blond pussy, slanted pussy, rice and beans pussy, slavic pussy, arroz con pollo pussy, ugandan pussy, music biz pussy, wall street pussy, aristocrat pussy, chicken head pussy, 18 yr old pussy, 59 year old pussy, afrocentric fake ass Erica Badu pussy, Oh Gawd Dude Alicia Siverstone pussy, los angeles pussy, brooklon albany projects pussy, moet chandon pussy, buddha blunt pussy, 145 club 200 pussy (what ya'll know about club 2000). Miranda, if your'e under 150 lbs, I might even like YOUR pussy. So don't confuse me with some fecal fellas. Shit, if ya'll really knew who I was, then you would'nt shit on my pedigree.
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Dick Strong,
You are a moron...and that's an insult to morons everywhere. |
can a broad get a sayshe tee shirt! that's all i want, that, and a black girls rule t! |
Satan,
come see me son! I'll be calling you this weekend to come over with some vasoline. maybe i'll put that cheap sunflower dress on ya and that lil' kim wig too...or maybe i'll put that mini skirt on you...whatever but i got the lube for yer tube.. and if your good, cause it's been awhile, i'll let you braid my hair BEEEEEEYATCHHHH.
how you wanna bring it!!!!!!! |
Vlad you have shown everyone you a big homo. I am not gay and wantr nothing to do with you froots in rap. why not go back to your boyfriend at UBO, urban music matrix guy? what? is he busy this weekend sucking dave 'gay with aids' watkins off? if so, then go see kris ex, miles lewis, scott poultry bryan or the biggest fag of all selwyn hinds |
Let me touch on a few topics real quick.
1. The SayShe party:
What's up with the bird at the front door with the fake ass Dapper Dan Fendi denim suit. Fendi don't make chicken head gear. Your were just fooling yourself.
2. Why hasn't the content at 360 changed in a week... all they added was the wyclef article. Great business move. Fuck the users.
3. Homophobia is corny. Haven't you all gotten used to them already. They are like roaches. They ain't going anywhere. Just deal with it and be truthful with yourself. A person's biggest fear is themself.
4. Stop Frontin'!
Music videos aren't real. The clothes, the jewels, and the women are all rented. And don't bye Crystal at the club if your car key looks like a metro card.
PREDICTIONS:
1. UBO is going to get bought out in a year or so. And half of the staff is going to start their own small sites.
2. AKA is just going to go out of business.
3. Hookt is finally going to realize that they'd have a much better site if they got rid of that shitty flash interface.
4. Someone at Flatiron is going to get caught up in a kickback scandal. Hint! Hint!
5. Volume will still SUCK!
6. Darien Dash is going to end up being the webmaster for Roc-A-Fella records.
7. When all of the urban sites go down... you're all going to be evicted from your homes.
8. WuTang's next album is going to suck.
9. Jennifer Lopez is going to be pregnant by Puffy by the end of 2001.
10. Andre Harrell will the babysitter.
11. Those Cash Money cat's are going to be broke.
12. The Source as we know it is in it's last days.
13. Steve Rifkinds wife is going to finally leave him. I hear she's tenured now.
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From the Womanhood.com website:
****WomanHood.com is to urban women what Ananda Lewis is to MTV. What Zora Neale Hurston was to the Harlem Renaissance. What Lauryn is to the Grammys. What Michelle Yeoh is to martial arts. What Lil' Kim and Eve are to hotgirls everywhere. What Angela Y. Davis is to activism. What Selena was to tejano. What Edwidge Danticat is to literature. What Oprah and Madonna are to moguls-in-training. What Kadiadou Diallo is to inner strength. What Gwen Stefani is to pink hair. What Marion Jones is to the 2000 Olympics. What Jennifer Lopez is to the Nuyorican experience. What Ofra Haza was to Middle Eastern music. What Celia Cruz is to Afro-Cuban jazz. What Me'Shell NdegeOcello is to critical acclaim. What Vivica A. Fox is to foxyness. What Thandie Newton is to acting. What Fiona Apple is to songwriting. What D'Angelo, DMX, and Marc Anthony are to some urban women's libidos.
OK...I was ok until I read the last sentence...Wooptie doo to the women's movement. Who the hell wrote that? |
actually when i look it over there are quite a few lines that are disturbing...but you be the judge...and yeah, i am hating on this shit |
hey vlad the homo why not go kick it at gay Sound Factory nightclub with club regular James Andy Platnum? Platnum went from cheating on his wife with a spanish whore named sonia the receptionist to sneaking out of his home in montclair NJ where Adam kidron lives, and heading into ny to hit the gay club scene with his boyfriend, a runt with colorful sisqo hair. adam kidron the drunk has a wife but still runs around on her with a white chickenass ubo employee named Robin and with another ubo worker, the hair extension whore named carmen. |
I think that womenhood shit was written by dream harlot |
raquel cepeda smells like cow shit. she came by my office to see some friends once and she was farting while walkig across the room. she was wearing a long dress that was tight on her asscheeks and you could see the cheeks quivering like lard while she walked cause she was farting while shaking hands and looking for freelance work. |
Who wrote the womanhood copy? Sounds like it was written by the same person who wrote the copy for the "preview" copy of Honey (the one with Lauryn Hill on the cover). |
Since when did misogyny become the latest thing? Those who give no respect to the ladies evidently are mad because the only attention you've been getting is from Rosie Palm and her five sisters. Unless your mother loves you,(and I doubt she would if she heard you talkin like that)I bet you get no love from the XX chromosome section.
Quit calling women whores |
Dream Hampton The Nasty Ass Slut Who Is Too Lazy To Interview More Than One Person For Her Upcoming Cover Story In Vibe.
Always Sucking Rappers Off.
Dream Hampton The Nasty Ass Slut Who Is Too Lazy To Interview More Than One Person For Her Upcoming Cover Story In Vibe.
Lazy Whore.
Sucking On Jay Z.
Dream Hampton The Nasty Ass Slut Who Is Too Lazy To Interview More Than One Person For Her Upcoming Cover Story In Vibe.
Sucking On Biggie and Tupac.
Dream Hampton The Nasty Ass Slut Who Is Too Lazy To Interview More Than One Person For Her Upcoming Cover Story In Vibe. |
There are a couple of people who would do good to attend a few writer's workshop. There's always something to learn |
like you cyber you piece of shit! |
What does Dream Hampton's sex life got to do with anything?
I'm failing to see the connection |
Satan.
It would behoove you not to go there. I do know where you live |
hey LUCY i mean satan...you must be evil young thang with so much dick venom. i've been known to roll up on your moms and wipe my joint on the curtain. |
hence the name nigga, VLAD THE IMPAL "HER"
you must be one of those grimy niggas who couldn't get that flesh that you hate on so much. you probably had jerk off fantasies about those girls frustrated that your game was weak and your dick small. so one day, while staining your dirty sheets cause you have no real home training, you had a talk with the real satan and decided to hang on his nutsacks and be granted an illusion of confidence and a big dick. so now, you travel through this realm like the emperor with no clothes on, thinking you are the shit with a name like satan but in fact you are in denial that you are a punk ass bitch that I WOULD LOVE TO FUCK bringing back memories of my wild out days on Rikers which was the inspiration for the HBO show OZ. But anyway, when I SEE YOU cause I know WHO YOU ARE, I will do you like my man Ned Beatty in deliverence and make you squeal like a pig and pummel 437 years of my oppression in your grimy ass so in the end when you give me a reach around, you will know who yo' man is..... |
I feel sorry for some of you . you like to post on this board like you're big shots but when I see some of you it is going to be on a level of violence none of yu have never dreamed could exist. That's my word. |
and vlad you are the gayest motherfucker in rap. no wonder the music is all fucked up. bitch niggaz like you are in the game. I hope I see you so I can knock your jaw off your skull you dumb cowardly bitch. i'm gonna kick your teeth out so you can go back to jail and suck the many dicks you obviously did you little maytag ho. |
vlad, you lil bitch i say 'rap' because homos like you dont fit in hip hop. you work in an online hip hop spot but stay in the closet like the bitch you are. you are a fucking punk. i laugh at your pathetic bullshit because i know you are a fucking coward who probably never had a fight in his life. and if you did you probably got the shit knocked out of you. you little bitch. i shit on your mother. |
cyber i thought you were trying to attack me like everyone else does on this board when you post an opinion. if you disagree with my comments about certain shit, thats your right. but dont make threats and start saying you know where nigga's live. cause that could start some shit right there. that bitch vlad (i know who HE IS) has already put his foot in his fucking mouth. don't join him. |
Yawn!
(Crispus... we need a new topic... these kids are fuckin' up the flow.) |
gangsta digital you're right. Thats why Im not goin to post no more. this site brings good information about web sites but it also brings a lot of people who want to insult people. I aint gonna do that no more. eveybody got a right to do what they want. so to vlad and cyber keep doing your thing. life is too short for all this beefin and feuding betwen everybody. there are too many other fights goin on on this message board for me to get in one myself. if i offended, my bad. with that i'm out. |
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The Harlem-based Urban Broadcasting Company (www.e-ubc.com), has launched
its internet site, e-ubc.com . The internet site is the first phase of the
networks' roll out, which includes a new 24 hour, digital cable network,
across the United States, later this year. The network plans to feature
original programming geared towards the urban multicultural market, business
and financial news powered by Bloomberg, and news geared toward the urban
market. Peggy Dodson, President/CEO, of Urban Broadcasting says she's
looking forward to bringing the converenge of broadcast and technology into
the dynamic, urban marketplace". The first program offering from UBC will
be a series of fashion shows that will feature clothing by designers of
color. The shows will be video streamed over the internet and will air over
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UBC?
One question: where are your clearances. Unless you have John Malone in your pocket, and you probably don't, those cable dreams are just that.
When you list your partners and the systems you're going to be on, then I'll take that seriously. But if M2 and Oxygen can't get on in NY,
I think UBC is way in the back of the line.
You have to have serious money and backing to get on cable. Even digital doesn't help.
If the webpage is any guide, it's not something I'd consider a professional effort, and certainly not indicative of a site with the backing of major corporations.
In fact, with the links to external content, I'm thinking that this is a lame attempt at a portal.
Anyone with Front Page can do this kind of stuff.
If you're spending cash, hire a designer and an interactive architect to redo your page, starting
with the logo. It's in freaking Times Roman in link blue. Yeesh.
Try www.olympics.com as a model. That's a professional site.
If the website is the first product you're putting out there, it needs to be done professionally. Right now, your site does not reflect well on you or your business. |
Dick Strong,
Please review Big L album Outkast and Too Short....Thinkin bout coping them joints. Lemme know dunnie. |
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Sorry. That Web site is not accepting requests.
You can try again by clicking on the Reload icon.
If you still get this message, that Web site is probably too busy to answer right now.
You might want to try again later.
This is what happens when you just link out to people and don't have any real relationships. UBC or UBO? |
Satan,
Drawing on my expertise as a therapist(This one's on the house.) Let's talk about why you feel "threatened" and why you feel people are trying to "attack" you. I think these feelings are indicative of
an overinflated sense of self-importance. Why would anyone be concerned with anything you have to say since you seem to constantly say things not worth listening to? Hmmm.....let's ponder that.
Please know that my comments weren't meant for you but for the author of the piece on vibrators as a bit of useful constructive, actually- on -the -subject criticism.Unless that was you, you shouldn't take offense.
As for my comment in response to you stepping out your place to name call(how productive is that?),let me put it in words you'll understand so there's little room for elementary interpretation. I know you feel secure posting your nonsense on this site as we all remain "anonymous", but we all know cyberspace isn't private for those who speak the language. By stepping out incorrectly and calling me names in this anonymity, you don't know who you're talking to, you may need something from ME or someone else that posts here one day and they may indeed, know who you are and remember that when you could have been spending time being positive and uplifting others through setting an example and a precedent, you were busy typing nonsense on the internet in a forum intended for other ways of expression. Sorry, but that is not something you want to put on a resume. You never know who's watching so it would be best to act as if your momma was there and you have your good drawers on wherever you go. I know she raised you better...act like it.
Finally, violence is overrated and the tool of people who have no real power...I wouldn't seek to threaten anyone with violence, it's unladylike(that's right, UNLADYLIKE) and beneath me. You seem to be very expressive and show a reasonable amount of intelligence, please channel your hostilities through more positive and productive channels. That's my expert opinion, please consider the matter closed as I prefer to use my postings to contribute to the dialogue in more meaningful ways. |
Cyber Revolutionary
You are right in every respect. Posting garbage and nonsense does nothing but ruin the site for others and keep people of color divided. Please accept my apology. |
Vlad the impaler
Your opinions on this thread may be extreme and I may not like how you present yourself but I have no right to tell you or anyone how and what to type. Sorry for the insults. especially since I read some quotes from you in an article on the online space and agreed with what you were saying. I apologize because this industry is a new one and everyones just trying to do their thing. If we keep fighting and insulting we're gonna ruin this chance to help our people advance and compete on an economic and profesional level. |
Question:
There are alot of folks doing positive things that don't have the resources to get in the game and don't know where to begin. How many of you would be willing to sacrifice your time and volunteer your services or work out a discounted rate for projects that you believe in?
For example, I spoke to someone trying to start an educational site focusing on forgotten African-American women heroes to be packaged as curriculum and sold to schools. She hasn't been able to get any funding because she's been told there's no interest.
Or how about the one of the only historical African-American comic books whose author is doing everything himself trying to generate interest and has to make do with a really poorly designed website when somebody could hook him up with a basic site for cheap?
I guess my question is why are these people struggling when you could take the time to step in and contribute? If we haven't learned anything, we should know by now that a business IS about community. Most of the most successful ones are the ones with a long history of philanthropy and ones that have the real support of their communities.
Help others in whatever way you can, contrary to popular belief, the everyman for himself theory doesn't work in the long run. What can you do in the present that will help the future? Think about sowing all kinds of seeds.
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RECIPE FOR A eTHUG
1 punk named dick strong mixed with
with Braggadocio and tbsp Amped on Chronic,
add Vlad to impale his limp dick into the
queen in denial. Put in closet and let
simmer with bogus reviews about Rappers
they lust after weekly.
Remover Vlad and watch him bitch and beg
for his life as you put the Desert Eagle
to his head while slapping "weak pussy"
silly for days.
Makes all UE users happy and shuts
the mouthes of two fake ass, white
boys that read about the spot on Franklin
in the Source of gayness and denial.
Courtesy of the Man that will kiss
your moms on her cheek at your wake.
WHUT!!!!
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Satan,
I accept your offer of peace! let's bury the hatchet and smoke the olive branch. We can agree to disagree.
Peace be unto you and yours.
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Hey Street Teamsta, Shaan James
You most be a closeted MC- finger pecking on your PC-i got the mental and the physical to whoop that ass like bruce lee.
let's not have our mommas at funerals slow singin' and flower bringin'- I can't meet you at fulton and montgomery without my man dick strong - go tag team like WWF into an allout brawl-lets catch it on DV put it on UE and we can all be celebrity and kick stories like my man King Tee.
WHUT!!!!!! don't bite my shit for that demo you trying to shop, nigga
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Vlad,
You've got the e-mail address, since
yours is bogus. Holler and I'll really
make you holler when I open a case of
whoop ass on you and your girl, weak
pussy. I knew you were all talk.
Nostrand and Montgomery - name the day
and time, bring your glock PUNK!
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ATTENTION
If anyone can provide the REAL name
and address of these two fairies, I
will personally beat the shit out of
them and report it here next week.
Now who's looking like a beeeyaaaach!
Vlad & weak pussy (dick strong)
Tell your moms to keep my sac off
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captain morgans looked out that night. The selection of grubs was on point two. |
Dookie earrings, a yellow feather boa and Kovas- now those are some fashion accessories! |
http://www.essence.com/cgi-bin/lilkim/kim.shtml |
I wish sayshe success! They better pick up my articles.
They are changing content around on there i noticed. I wonder how often they plan to update?
Did they officially launch? Headed for the no buzz list i guess. |
WTF,
Why don't you shut your pompus non-spelling ass up and learn to write in complete sentences? |
In all actuality all of these so called "urban portals" are just garbage. In fact all websites are appearing shitty to me more and more each day. If anybody wants a true "urban" experience just fucking step outside. The potential of what the internet could be is being wasted on these billions and billions of webpages that turn out to be nothing more than a waste of valuable time. I look forward to the day when the internet becomes a useful tool to improve my daily activities in the "real world". But hey that's my opinion, who gives a fuck? |
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